Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

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yes, it's those lying fucking DemoRats - anything to keep Trump from winning a second term - hell , they'll even deliberately crash the economy to achieve that, and of course, APPLAUD riots and anarchy in the streets.
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The number of infections is meaningless without publishing the number of tests made per a million of population in a certain country. US records most cases because they can afford to make more tests, simple as that. You do very few tests like poorer countries, you don’t find many infections. The real number of infections globally has been in hundreds of millions since months ago. It takes a special kind of stupid journalism or journalism with agenda (both are destructive) to keep pushing out that misleading number every day like robots.
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hunter8 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:08 pm The number of infections is meaningless without publishing the number of tests made per a million of population in a certain country. US records most cases because they can afford to make more tests, simple as that. You do very few tests like poorer countries, you don’t find many infections. The real number of infections globally has been in hundreds of millions since months ago. It takes a special kind of stupid journalism or journalism with agenda (both are destructive) to keep pushing out that misleading number every day like robots.
This article says testing in the US is failing with some tests taking up to a week to get results.

The US is in the middle of another coronavirus testing crisis — on a far larger scale than before
Without robust testing, states have no way of knowing the true scale of their outbreaks. And weeks-long wait times for results mean even quarantines and contact tracing happen too late.

“This is very bad,” Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina told The Atlantic. “Our modelling efforts more or less show that if you don’t get results back in a day or so, outbreaks really can’t be stopped without isolating and quarantining all contacts preemptively.”
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/anot ... -us-2020-7
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Above is just an opinion of one epidemiologist, and we can find diametrically opposed opinions of other epidemiologists on youtube.

Math does not have an agenda.
I am looking at this data:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covi ... ?tab=table

If you do a sorting on the “Daily tests per a million” column in a descending order, you will see that among bigger countries US do the most tests. On that column US ranks after Luxembourg, Bahrain, Singapore, Denmark, Israel and Australia, which are all either small (easy to administer) or naturally isolated countries with a large territory but small population like Australia.

If you do a sorting of Daily confirmed cases per a million US is at the 8th place, consistent with their testing numbers (the more you look, the more you find).

“Per a million” is of vital importance to do a correct estimate.
Math is boring though. Sensationalism news (“US is a plagued country! Doom and gloom! Because Trump!”) and absolute numbers sells more advertising.
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just an opinion of one epidemiologist
Which is less qualified than your own which draws it's sources from the media you decry?
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hunter8 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:08 pm The number of infections is meaningless without publishing the number of tests made per a million of population in a certain country. US records most cases because they can afford to make more tests, simple as that.
It's not that simple, although there's an element of truth in it. Testing the right people is a better approach than testing many people, so the absolute number of tests in itself is quite meaningless, too.

You might get lucky when you compare the US with a poor country that cannot afford a sufficient number of tests, I'll give you that. But if you compare the atrocious US numbers with those in Germany, Japan or South Korea, you clearly see to what extent this pandemic has been grotesquely mismanaged in the US.
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God'sGift wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:47 pm yes, it's those lying fucking DemoRats - anything to keep Trump from winning a second term - hell , they'll even deliberately crash the economy to achieve that, and of course, APPLAUD riots and anarchy in the streets.
:lol:
Do you think the parents of baby boomers whined so much when the boomers started changing society? And yet the whiney ones like to call young people "snowflakes." Hmm...
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nemo wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:26 pm
just an opinion of one epidemiologist
Which is less qualified than your own which draws it's sources from the media you decry?
I draw my opinion not from media but from a database of numbers. That data is entered by humans sourced from imperfect methods but it’s the best we have.

As for opinions, there are opinions of all shades. Why not form your own based on available data?
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Alex wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:36 pm
hunter8 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:08 pm The number of infections is meaningless without publishing the number of tests made per a million of population in a certain country. US records most cases because they can afford to make more tests, simple as that.
It's not that simple, although there's an element of truth in it. Testing the right people is a better approach than testing many people, so the absolute number of tests in itself is quite meaningless, too.

You might get lucky when you compare the US with a poor country that cannot afford a sufficient number of tests, I'll give you that. But if you compare the atrocious US numbers with those in Germany, Japan or South Korea, you clearly see to what extent this pandemic has been grotesquely mismanaged in the US.
I agree to some extent that it’s a simplification to say “the more you test, the more you find”, but the world has been happy not to question dumbed-down rules (one of them is “wear a mask and stay home”, though most people wear it wrong and not getting fresh air and movement quickly becomes detrimental to health).

Why is this relation of cases to tests being overlooked or irresponsibly not stressed enough by media, it makes you wonder if this is intentional. I agree it would be best to test the right people. Then again, majority of people will be infected with it sooner or later, so who cares who was managing it better in the first stages. It’s a marathon where one runner could accelerate the first few miles and then be out of breath.

This infection will not take more lives on a yearly basis than a long-known tuberculosis, it is now safe to extrapolate numbers to the year-end to come to that conclusion.
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The data you mention is easily discoverable.
No one is ignoring it except by willful ignorance.
If you prefer to dress it as a vast left wing conspiracy, enjoy yourself.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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