Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by theKid » Sun May 03, 2020 4:19 pm

fazur wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 4:07 pm
cambodia is very different to western countries

no/very small safety net

at some stage people will say screw this

even americans are doing it
Well, there is no real lockdown here anyway, is there? People are still going about their life, businesses, apart from some bars and clubs, are not being ordered to shut. Malls, shops etc are open. No alcohol ban, no curfew, no restrictions on travelling anymore...
The only reason why some places are closed is because they have no customers.

The increasingly dire economic situation in Cambodia is because of demand destruction, not because of any local lockdown measures.
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by CEOCambodiaNews » Sun May 03, 2020 4:20 pm

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Greg Mortimer: 81 people test positive for COVID-19 on Australian cruise ship off Uruguay
The operator of a cruise ship off the coast of Uruguay with almost 100 Australian passengers stuck on board says 81 passengers and staff have tested positive for coronavirus.
Updated Updated 7 hours ago
By Jarni Blakkarly

Eighty-one people on the Greg Mortimer cruise ship, which has been stranded off the coast of Uruguay for almost two weeks and has over 90 Australians on board, have tested positive for coronavirus.

In a statement on Monday the cruise ship owners, Australian company Aurora Expeditions, said two crew members and one passenger had been taken off the ship which had been on an Antarctic expedition.

Over 120 other passengers and staff were tested for COVID-19, with 81 passengers testing positive and 45 testing negative.

Another 90 test results are expected to be processed over the next 12 to 24 hours.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/greg-mortim ... ff-uruguay
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The situation on the Greg Mortimer has been going from bad to worse for those left aboard the cruise ship. Many on board are infected, including the ship's doctor, who has been pressured to give a false health report to Uruguay authorities :

'We are very afraid': stranded cruise ship's crew in limbo amid pandemic
Tensions aboard the Greg Mortimer have reached breaking point over allegations ship’s operators and captain pressured doctor to downplay outbreak
Uki Goñi in Buenos Aires
Sun 3 May 2020 09.30 BST

After an ill-fated Antarctic expedition in which 60% of passengers and crew contracted coronavirus and spent a month stranded off the coast of South America, the successful repatriation of 132 tourists from a Australian cruise ship seemed like a rare happy ending.

But what should have been a peaceful epilogue in which the crew of the Greg Mortimer sailed safely home has become a gruesome sequel of sickness and panic – with the added possibility of a legal battle in Miami courts.

In recent days, tensions aboard the stranded ship reached a breaking point over allegations that the ship’s operators and captain pressured the chief medical officer to mislead authorities in Uruguay about the health situation onboard.

Emails seen by the Guardian appear to show that two companies associated with the Greg Mortimer – Miami-based crewing company CMI/Sunstone and the Australian cruise operator Aurora Expeditions – urged Dr Mauricio Usme to downplay the severity of the outbreak.

A doctor from a third company linked to the vessel – the Fort Lauderdale medical company Vikand – also allegedly suggested Usme should play down the health situation onboard.

The ship remains anchored 20km off the coast of Uruguay. Thirty-three members of its 85-strong crew – including Dr Usme – have tested positive for coronavirus, and one has died of Covid-19.

“More will continue getting sick,” Usme told the Guardian over a tenuous WhatsApp connection.

“We’re all exposed to the risk of potential death as long as we remain onboard, because having coronavirus is like having a timebomb ticking inside you that could go off at any moment.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... llegations
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by phuketrichard » Sun May 03, 2020 5:10 pm

add in the outbreaks in US prisons and old age homes
this pandemic is far from hit its peak

YET so many are calling for a relaxation and "get back to work" seems to be the theme of the day

Anxiously awaiting to see the how the numbers are in the coming few days /weeks in Spain, Italy an other counties and some US states as they loosen restrictions.
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by fazur » Mon May 04, 2020 5:41 am

theKid wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 4:19 pm
The increasingly dire economic situation in Cambodia is because of demand destruction, not because of any local lockdown measures.
googled it, nada

explain, please
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by IraHayes » Mon May 04, 2020 6:39 am

Demand destruction:

When you remove demand for a product or service.
The world goes into lockdown and clothes stores are non-essential business. So no one buys clothes. The stores don’t buy stock. The factories can’t get materials or sell their products. Workers are laid off. People who sell stuff outside the factory gates stop as no customers. All those workers spend their wages in the immediate area. Now they have far less money to spend so the businesses they buy from do less trade.

Repeat this for:
Hotels
Restaurants
Bars
Street vendors in general.


And that’s what he means by demand destruction.
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by hunter8 » Mon May 04, 2020 1:36 pm

IraHayes wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 6:39 am
Repeat this for:
Hotels
Restaurants
Bars
Street vendors in general.
+ luxury and top brand industries (not directly related to Cambodia). Nobody to show off to when people stay home. Cheaper alternatives with no premium added will do.
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by CEOCambodiaNews » Mon May 04, 2020 11:11 pm

German Covid-19 cases 'may be 10 times higher than official figures'
Researchers highlight risk of asymptomatic infection, as Europe begins easing lockdown
Jon Henley Europe correspondent
Mon 4 May 2020 15.24 BST
Last modified on Mon 4 May 2020 16.48 BST
More than 10 times as many people in Germany may have been infected with coronavirus than thought, researchers have said, as Italy led swathes of Europe out of lockdown and officials said the continent’s outbreak was mostly past its peak.

Researchers from Bonn University said on Monday their preliminary study, based on field work in the town of Gangelt in Heinsberg municipality, which had one of the country’s highest death tolls, showed the risk of infection by asymptomatic carriers.

The researchers concluded from a random sample of 919 people that about 15% of Gangelt’s population had been infected, with a fatality rate of 0.37%. Extrapolating nationwide, they said about 1.8 million people living in Germany may have contracted the virus, against 160,000 confirmed cases so far.

About one in five of those who were infected showed no symptoms, they said, underlining the importance of physical distancing and basic hygiene to keep the disease at bay.

“Every supposedly healthy person we encounter can unknowingly carry the virus,” said Martin Exner, the head of the university’s institute for hygiene and public health and a co-author of the study. “We must be aware of this and act accordingly.”
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by SternAAlbifrons » Tue May 05, 2020 4:04 am

hunter8 wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 2:32 pm
WHO cautiously admits Sweden should be looked upon as a role model? Now let that sink in for policy makers.

Sorry Hunter, but you totally misrepresent that.

"A model - IF we want to get back to a society without lockdowns"
".. there may be lessons to be learned from (Sweden)"

Not a role model. at all.
A model to study.
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by Clemen » Tue May 05, 2020 7:35 am

"Coronavirus: France's first known case 'was in December'"
"Dr Yves Cohen told French media a swab taken at the time was recently tested, and came back positive for Covid-19.
The patient, a man in his 50s who has since fully recovered, said he has no idea where he caught the virus as he hadn't been to any infected areas.
This news means the virus may have arrived in France almost a month earlier than previously thought.
Until now, the country's first three cases of coronavirus were confirmed on 24 January."
Full : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554
Slightly more info from CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/heal ... index.html
And circulating in the US earlier and more widely than previously thought.
Coronavirus spread 'under the radar' in US major cities since January, researchers say
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/health/u ... index.html
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