Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

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Kammekor wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:03 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:02 pm
6 around the table at the 12,2,4,6,8,and 10 o'clock position, x 1.5 metres between each would need a circumference of 9 metres (6 x 1,5m). 9 metres / pi 3.14 gives a diameter of 2.86 metres.
Nice try, answer is close enough, but wrong reasoning. 6 persons means 5 spaces of 1.5 meter, not 6. And you need to to take the width of 6 asses / bodies into account too.

So let's say 6 x 30 cm (body width)
5 x 1,5 m (spacing), then the circumference would be about 9,3 meter. The outcome would still be a table with a diameter of nearly three meters.

And that table should be at least at a 1.5 meter distance from other tables.
It's a financial nightmare.
You need to be 1.5m away on a straight line, not a curve.

Best off using a hexagon. Will give you around 3.6m diameter
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alexvanlaar wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:01 pm
AndyKK wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:35 am How China Deceived the WHO

Back in January, when the pandemic now consuming the world was still gathering force, a Berkeley research scientist named Xiao Qiang was monitoring China’s official statements about a new coronavirus then spreading through Wuhan and noticed something disturbing. Statements made by the World Health Organization, the international body that advises the world on handling health crises, often echoed China’s messages. “Particularly at the beginning, it was shocking when I again and again saw WHO’s [director-general], when he spoke to the press … almost directly quoting what I read on the Chinese government’s statements,” he told me.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavi ... spartandhp
WHO's bastard-boss (aethiopian) is guilty of 1000's of warcrimes he committed in Aethiopia and Erithrea years ago and this is NO FAKE NEWS.
He's paid by China, everybody knows. US-government is now looking into it! and the role of WHO in the beginning of the crisis.
alexvanlaar I would have not known this person until the out brake of the virus and involvement of WHO and of your quote, thanks for that.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, a little-known figure before the coronavirus pandemic

a little-known figure before the coronavirus pandemic, has risen to prominence as Director-General of the World Health Organisation which is spearheading global responses to the virus.

www.dailymail.co.uk
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Internal Chinese medical and political documents obtained by the Associated Press show highly placed Chinese figures were using the terms epidemic and pandemic in mid-January. The top health official compared growing number of cases to the SARS epidemic.
The documents show that the head of China’s National Health Commission, Ma Xiaowei, laid out a grim assessment of the situation on Jan. 14 in a confidential teleconference with provincial health officials. A memo states that the teleconference was held to convey instructions on the coronavirus from President Xi Jinping, Premier Li Keqiang and Vice Premier Sun Chunlan, but does not specify what those instructions were.

“The epidemic situation is still severe and complex, the most severe challenge since SARS in 2003, and is likely to develop into a major public health event,” the memo cites Ma as saying.
The documents come from an anonymous source in the medical field who did not want to be named for fear of retribution. The AP confirmed the contents with two other sources in public health familiar with the teleconference. Some of the memo’s contents also appeared in a public notice about the teleconference, stripped of key details and published in February.

Under a section titled “sober understanding of the situation,” the memo said that “clustered cases suggest that human-to-human transmission is possible.” It singled out the case in Thailand [Jan. 13], saying that the situation had “changed significantly” because of the possible spread of the virus abroad.

“With the coming of the Spring Festival, many people will be traveling, and the risk of transmission and spread is high,” the memo continued. “All localities must prepare for and respond to a pandemic.”

When did the irresponsible WHO declare a pandemic? March 11.

From The AP: China didn’t warn public of likely pandemic for 6 key days


https://apnews.com/68a9e1b91de4ffc166acd6012d82c2f9
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cautious colin wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:51 pm
Kammekor wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:03 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:02 pm
6 around the table at the 12,2,4,6,8,and 10 o'clock position, x 1.5 metres between each would need a circumference of 9 metres (6 x 1,5m). 9 metres / pi 3.14 gives a diameter of 2.86 metres.
Nice try, answer is close enough, but wrong reasoning. 6 persons means 5 spaces of 1.5 meter, not 6. And you need to to take the width of 6 asses / bodies into account too.

So let's say 6 x 30 cm (body width)
5 x 1,5 m (spacing), then the circumference would be about 9,3 meter. The outcome would still be a table with a diameter of nearly three meters.

And that table should be at least at a 1.5 meter distance from other tables.
It's a financial nightmare.
You need to be 1.5m away on a straight line, not a curve.

Best off using a hexagon. Will give you around 3.6m diameter
I was wondering who would be the first to spot that!
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Coronavirus is killing far more US health workers than official data suggests
Challenges in collecting data, a patchwork of state tracking systems and patients who die at home mean the true toll of Covid-19 on US healthcare workers is unknown
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Last modified on Wed 15 Apr 2020 16.45 BST

The number of healthcare workers who have tested positive for the coronavirus is probably far higher than the reported tally of 9,200, and US officials say they have no comprehensive way to count those who lose their lives trying to save others.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the infection tally on Tuesday and said 27 health worker deaths have been recorded, based on a small number of test-result reports.

Officials stressed that the count was drawn from just 16% of the nation’s Covid-19 cases, so the true numbers of healthcare infections and deaths are certainly far higher.

CDC officials said data provided by states most closely tracking the occupations of people with the virus suggest that healthcare workers account for about 11% of all Covid-19 infections.
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"Coronavirus lockdown: Lessons from Hokkaido's second wave of infections"
"In late February, Hokkaido became the first place in Japan to declare a state of emergency due to Covid-19.
Schools were closed, large-scale gatherings cancelled and people "encouraged" to stay at home. The local government pursued the virus with determination - aggressively tracing and isolating anyone who'd had contact with victims.
The policy worked and by mid-March the number of new cases had fallen back to one or two a day. On 19 March the state of emergency was lifted, and at the beginning of April, schools re-opened.
But now, just 26 days after the state of emergency was lifted, a new one has had to be imposed."
"In the last week, Hokkaido has recorded 135 new confirmed cases of Covid-19. Unlike the first outbreak in February, there is no evidence the virus has been re-imported from outside Japan.
None of the new cases are foreigners, nor have any of those infected travelled outside Japan in the last month."
Full: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52305055
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Wuhan death toll rises 50%


Wuhan’s prevention and control taskforce have revised the death toll in Wuhan upwards by 50%, from 2,579 to 3,869. The updated figure comes after weeks of scepticism about the reported death toll, as other countries have seen fatalities reach more than 10,000.

Coronavirus live news: Wuhan death toll revised up 50% as China's economy suffers worst fall on record

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"We've never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. "
"For those pinning their hopes on a COVID-19 vaccine to return life to normal, an Australian expert in vaccine development has a reality check — it probably won't happen soon.

The reality is that this particular coronavirus is posing challenges that scientists haven't dealt with before, according to Ian Frazer from the University of Queensland.

Professor Frazer was involved in the successful development of the vaccine for the human papilloma virus which causes cervical cancer — a vaccine which took years of work to develop."
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^^^ Apparently, making an effective vaccine for COVID19 will not be an easy task. It's not just about harnessing antibodies, it's about harnessing the right kind of antibodies, called neutralizing antibodies.

Good shortish story in the Scientific American last week, What Immunity to COVID-19 Really Means.
Immunity to seasonal coronaviruses (such as those that cause common colds), for example, starts declining a couple of weeks after infection. And within a year, some people are vulnerable to reinfection. That observation is disconcerting when experts say it is unlikely we will have a vaccine for COVID-19 within 18 months. But studies of SARS-CoV—the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, which shares a considerable amount of its genetic material with SARS-CoV-2—are more promising. Antibody testing shows SARS-CoV immunity peaks at around four months and offers protection for roughly two to three years. As Preeti Malani, chief health officer and a professor of medicine at the University of Michigan, said in a video interview with JAMA Editor in Chief Howard Bauchner,this period presents “a pretty good time line for thinking about vaccines and therapeutics” for COVID-19.

Even if the antibodies stick around in the body, however, it is not yet certain that they will prevent future infection. What we want, says [Dawn Bowdish, a professor of pathology and molecular medicine and Canada Research Chair in Aging and Immunity at McMaster University in Ontario] are neutralizing antibodies. These are the proteins that reduce and prevent infection by binding to the part of a virus that connects to and “unlocks” host cells. They are relatively easy to detect, and they are far easier for vaccine developers to generate than the alternative: the immune system’s T cells. In contrast, nonneutralizing antibodies still recognize parts of the pathogen, but they do not bind effectively and so do not prevent it from invading cells.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... lly-means/
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passed...

look at the bold an underlined...

The Senate on Friday gave its nod to the state of emergency draft law. In an extraordinary session chaired by its acting president Sim Ka, the Senate said the bill provides solid legal foundation for the government to govern the country with drastic measures in a state of emergency in accordance with the Constitution.

The bill, it said, empowers the two legislative bodies to monitor and evaluate the government's implementation of the law to prevent abuses of its authority.

Consisting of five chapters and 12 articles, the draft law sets out formalities, procedures and terms to declare a state of emergency if the country runs into danger and stipulates a maximum 10-year imprisonment for anyone caught breaking it or hindering its enforcement.

Article 5 stipulates that certain measures would be taken in a state of emergency including restrictions on the people’s rights, freedom of movement, gatherings, jobs and occupations.

It allows the state to impose a lockdown, quarantine, conscription and evacuation. The state can also manage, seize and handle properties when necessary to respond to an emergency.

A copy of the draft law seen by The Post on Sunday said a state of emergency may not exceed three months, though it can be prolonged under the same conditions as when it is declared
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