Kammekor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:09 pm

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:30 pm

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:44 pm 31m ago 15:06
Five London bus workers who tested positive for Covid-19 have now died, the Unite union said.

The Unite regional secretary, Peter Kavanagh, said:

Each of these deaths is a terrible tragedy and the thoughts of everyone at Unite go to the families of the bus workers who have died of coronavirus.

Unite will assist the families of our members in every possible way during this terrible time.

Unite has been working continuously with Transport for London (TfL) and the operators to ensure the safety of drivers and others in the industry who are performing a heroic job in getting NHS and care workers to their places of work.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... st-updates

"Five London bus workers who tested positive for Covid-19 have now died, the Unite union said"

The total number of NHS workers who have died from Covid-19 is 8. Very low compared to bus drivers. There's something odd going on here.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... s-victims/

Nothing odd I think. Bus drivers are the first to be exposed, so the first to get sick and the first to die.
Healthcare workers have some protection and only get exposed wen the infected people get so sick they look for help.
IMHO bus drivers are just ahead on the same track of infection-illness-look for help-cured/death.

Exactly, one has to look at the difference in health seeking behaviour and general health in different sectors of the society. Lower SES groups generally have the highest susceptibility to disease. Driving is not high up in the list of healthy behaviour:
Driving: A Road to Unhealthy Lifestyles and Poor HealthOutcomes

Driving and Health BehaviorsBased on unadjusted descriptive statistics (Table 1), there was aconsistent trend that higher prevalence rates of smoking, excessivealcohol use, insufficient fruit and vegetable consumption, physicalinactivity, and insufficient sleep were observed among those withhigher driving time. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 094602.pdf

Overcoming Barriers in Unhealthy Settings A Phenomenological Study of Healthy Truck Drivers
Truck driving has been described as an “obesogenic” occupation,and obesity and other health indicators indicate that
this is indeed the case (Apostolopoulos et al., 2010). Data gathered in the current study suggest that unhealthy behaviors
are the default behaviors for individuals in this occupation and have to be constantly resisted, even by those drivers
who are consistently living a healthy lifestyle:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5342276/

Socioeconomic Disparities in Health Behaviors
The inverse relationships between socioeconomic status (SES) and unhealthy behaviors such astobacco use, physical inactivity, and poor nutrition have been well demonstrated empirically butencompass diverse underlying causal mechanisms. These mechanisms have special theoreticalimportance because disparities in health behaviors, unlike disparities in many other components ofhealth, involve something more than the ability to use income to purchase good health.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 317106.pdf

God'sGift wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:42 pm Politicians in the UK have fallen into the trap of ' we must be seen to be doing something' ......mass bannings have been championed by the left as usual, because people of that mindset are far more emotionallly driven than normal.

Isolation reduces the spread of the disease. The incubation period of the disease is about two weeks. The disease runs its course in about ten days. If you are asymptomatic doesn't mean you are not infectious, or even that you don't have the disease. The lower the infection rate, the easier it is to test and treat as there are a lower number of infected requiring medical services. I'm not sure which bit of this you are not understanding.

cptrelentless wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:06 pm

God'sGift wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:42 pm Politicians in the UK have fallen into the trap of ' we must be seen to be doing something' ......mass bannings have been championed by the left as usual, because people of that mindset are far more emotionallly driven than normal.

Isolation reduces the spread of the disease. The incubation period of the disease is about two weeks. The disease runs its course in about ten days. If you are asymptomatic doesn't mean you are not infectious, or even that you don't have the disease. The lower the infection rate, the easier it is to test and treat as there are a lower number of infected requiring medical services. I'm not sure which bit of this you are not understanding.

The problem is isolation only solves the problems of the overwhelmed (ICU) healthcare as long as the isolation lasts. Stop the isolation, and 14 days later healthcare is overwhelmed again.
And all at a very high price. It doesn't stop the disease. All governments are currently doing is buying time. Trump has been given a month, for 2,000,0000,000,000 USD.
And is it worth it? I read reports 50% or more of all the people going in ICU die anyway, and the survivors suffer from all kinds of complications. The average amount of time spend on ICU normally is about 10 days, for COVID-19 it's 17-21 days.

Google for ICU syndrome. Is it really worth all the efforts I wonder....?

Did coronavirus leak from a research lab in Wuhan?

Startling new theory is 'no longer being discounted' amid claims staff 'got infected after being sprayed with blood'

Ministers fear that the coronavirus pandemic might have been caused by a leak from a Chinese laboratory, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Senior Government sources say that while 'the balance of scientific advice' is still that the deadly virus was first transmitted to humans from a live animal market in Wuhan, a leak from a laboratory in the Chinese city is 'no longer being discounted'.
One member of Cobra, the emergency committee led by Boris Johnson, said last night that while the latest intelligence did not dispute the virus was 'zoonotic' – originating in animals – it did not rule out that the virus first spread to humans after leaking from a Wuhan laboratory.

20 mins read -
www.msn.com
read:https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotligh ... spartandhp

Kammekor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:29 pm

cptrelentless wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:06 pm

God'sGift wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:42 pm Politicians in the UK have fallen into the trap of ' we must be seen to be doing something' ......mass bannings have been championed by the left as usual, because people of that mindset are far more emotionallly driven than normal.

Isolation reduces the spread of the disease. The incubation period of the disease is about two weeks. The disease runs its course in about ten days. If you are asymptomatic doesn't mean you are not infectious, or even that you don't have the disease. The lower the infection rate, the easier it is to test and treat as there are a lower number of infected requiring medical services. I'm not sure which bit of this you are not understanding.

The problem is isolation only solves the problems of the overwhelmed (ICU) healthcare as long as the isolation lasts. Stop the isolation, and 14 days later healthcare is overwhelmed again.
And all at a very high price. It doesn't stop the disease. All governments are currently doing is buying time. Trump has been given a month, for 2,000,0000,000,000 USD.
And is it worth it? I read reports 50% or more of all the people going in ICU die anyway, and the survivors suffer from all kinds of complications. The average amount of time spend on ICU normally is about 10 days, for COVID-19 it's 17-21 days.

Google for ICU syndrome. Is it really worth all the efforts I wonder....?

The UK has about £700 Billion spending and £650 Billion in taxes. If they spend all the money they say they will and collapse the tax base that £50 Billion deficit will be nearer £500 Billion this year. Many of these small business' will not come back and who will want to start a small business in the middle of a depression?

Hello sovereign debt crisis, inflation and much higher interest rates on an already overly indebted population. Think Greece, without the sunshine.

AndyKK wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:40 pm Did coronavirus leak from a research lab in Wuhan?

Startling new theory is 'no longer being discounted' amid claims staff 'got infected after being sprayed with blood'

Ministers fear that the coronavirus pandemic might have been caused by a leak from a Chinese laboratory, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Senior Government sources say that while 'the balance of scientific advice' is still that the deadly virus was first transmitted to humans from a live animal market in Wuhan, a leak from a laboratory in the Chinese city is 'no longer being discounted'.
One member of Cobra, the emergency committee led by Boris Johnson, said last night that while the latest intelligence did not dispute the virus was 'zoonotic' – originating in animals – it did not rule out that the virus first spread to humans after leaking from a Wuhan laboratory.

20 mins read -
www.msn.com
read:https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotligh ... spartandhp

This is based on that video a guy, who worked in China and speaks excellent Chinese, made. He used public info to identify patient zero.

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:44 pm

The UK has about £700 Billion spending and £650 Billion in taxes. If they spend all the money they say they will and collapse the tax base that £50 Billion deficit will be nearer £500 Billion this year. Many of these small business' will not come back and who will want to start a small business in the middle of a depression?

Hello sovereign debt crisis, inflation and much higher interest rates on an already overly indebted population. Think Greece, without the sunshine.

and without the refugees at that stage....

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:44 pm The UK has about £700 Billion spending and £650 Billion in taxes. If they spend all the money they say they will and collapse the tax base that £50 Billion deficit will be nearer £500 Billion this year. Many of these small business' will not come back and who will want to start a small business in the middle of a depression?

Hello sovereign debt crisis, inflation and much higher interest rates on an already overly indebted population. Think Greece, without the sunshine.

when I look at the total wealth of the countries the crisis wont shave away a lot of the total so far. Its juts a matter how the bill wil be shared between rich and poor people/countries. The crisis will teach us a lesson and the world will be better prepared for future shocks. Humanity has overcome worse situations than this. Solidarity will be the most effective medicine for curing the econmic effects of Corona.



After 4 weeks of econmic lockdown (and 2 more to come for sure) in Italy I start to doubt if it is a fair measure to fight Corona adding the economic disaster (manmade?) to the one caused by the virus. Sweden has opted for a different solution and we all watch carefully how things develop there. Only time will tell what measure were appropriate and which not as we have no experience handling such a crisis. I think at the end the core question will be: HOW MUCH IS A LIFE WORTH IN $$$.

It's even found it's way to the Falklands. There goes plan F...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/04/coronavi ... -12507195/

truffledog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:15 pm

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:44 pm The UK has about £700 Billion spending and £650 Billion in taxes. If they spend all the money they say they will and collapse the tax base that £50 Billion deficit will be nearer £500 Billion this year. Many of these small business' will not come back and who will want to start a small business in the middle of a depression?

Hello sovereign debt crisis, inflation and much higher interest rates on an already overly indebted population. Think Greece, without the sunshine.

when I look at the total wealth of the countries the crisis wont shave away a lot of the total so far. Its juts a matter how the bill wil be shared between rich and poor people/countries. The crisis will teach us a lesson and the world will be better prepared for future shocks. Humanity has overcome worse situations than this. Solidarity will be the most effective medicine for curing the econmic effects of Corona.



After 4 weeks of econmic lockdown (and 2 more to come for sure) in Italy I start to doubt if it is a fair measure to fight Corona adding the economic disaster (manmade?) to the one caused by the virus. Sweden has opted for a different solution and we all watch carefully how things develop there. Only time will tell what measure were appropriate and which not as we have no experience handling such a crisis. I think at the end the core question will be: HOW MUCH IS A LIFE WORTH IN $$$.

Too bad it's just about wealth there, on the other side of the balance are the debts.....