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Doc67 wrote:Many won't bother returning and won't have a £50,000 debt for a worthless piece of decorative A4 paper rolled up and tied with a ribbon. What a racket...
It all depends on why. If it’s just to go because ... then I agree, it’s a waste.

If getting that piece of paper from that specific university opens doors and opportunities that would have otherwise never happened, then it’s worth it.
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newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:40 am
Doc67 wrote:Many won't bother returning and won't have a £50,000 debt for a worthless piece of decorative A4 paper rolled up and tied with a ribbon. What a racket...
It all depends on why. If it’s just to go because ... then I agree, it’s a waste.

If getting that piece of paper from that specific university opens doors and opportunities that would have otherwise never happened, then it’s worth it.
The professions like a degree, medical is obligatory, but not legal. Many accountancy firms are actively hiring 18 year old with strong A levels - keen to work and don't have unjustifiably expectations. There is virtually no career where you have to have a degree, except teaching of course; funny that.

The idea of spending 3 years and £50k that you don't have on anything that does not have strong vocational value is absurd. And about 90% of the courses fail that test.
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Doc67 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:44 am
newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:40 am
Doc67 wrote:Many won't bother returning and won't have a £50,000 debt for a worthless piece of decorative A4 paper rolled up and tied with a ribbon. What a racket...
It all depends on why. If it’s just to go because ... then I agree, it’s a waste.

If getting that piece of paper from that specific university opens doors and opportunities that would have otherwise never happened, then it’s worth it.
The professions like a degree, medical is obligatory, but not legal. Many accountancy firms are actively hiring 18 year old with strong A levels - keen to work and don't have unjustifiably expectations. There is virtually no career where you have to have a degree, except teaching of course; funny that.

The idea of spending 3 years and £50k that you don't have on anything that does not have strong vocational value is absurd. And about 90% of the courses fail that test.
I tend to agree. To transition to teaching, I have to take a degree. My c. 30 years of working counts for nowt, and I am taking a degree course that has absolutely nothing to do with what I want to teach. It is quite literally going to be a piece of paper with little to no value to me or my future!! (Save for the debt!!)
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Hypothetic example. Let’s say all the high British diplomats all get their PhD from university X. If one wants to be a high British diplomat, it makes sense to spend the money and get the PhD from university X. Just by going there, the student meets future diplomats, and get into the network of current diplomats. The diploma has recognition in the British diplomatic corps and grants interviews.
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newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:51 pm Hypothetic example. Let’s say all the high British diplomats all get their PhD from university X. If one wants to be a high British diplomat, it makes sense to spend the money and get the PhD from university X. Just by going there, the student meets future diplomats, and get into the network of current diplomats. The diploma has recognition in the British diplomatic corps and grants interviews.
High level British diplomats are drawn from diplomatic corps of the Foreign and Commonwealth office. They are never political appointments (Prime Ministers don't get to appoint their friends as ambassadors). The F.C.O recruits from Oxford and Cambridge, and then from other top universities starting with 1st class degrees. A degree in classics or PPE is fast track route to employment in the civil service. Going to Eton first will guarantee you a job. A masters is superfluous to requirements and a PHD might well put them off as you might be a bit too clever by half for the civil service!
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Doc67 wrote:Going to Eton first will guarantee you a job.
Thank you for illustrating the point.

Spending money going to Eton is well worth it to get the job.

Going to any old school just to have gone to school is a waste.
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newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:58 am
Doc67 wrote:Going to Eton first will guarantee you a job.
Thank you for illustrating the point.

Spending money going to Eton is well worth it to get the job.

Going to any old school just to have gone to school is a waste.
Absolutely, Eton is the best investment in education you can make. Except, you won't get in unless you're already from the ruling elite. I doubt they will even send you a prospectus unless they have heard of you. No amount of vulgar new money will get you in - family, family, and family are the rule. Or you are a brilliant young scholar from a decent family.

Boris Johnson got considered due to a father who went to Oxford and a mother's family who were old money. However, he also won a Kings Scholarship to study classics while at Ashdown House prep school, a well known 'feeder' school. Well known to the elite of course, not the hoi polloi

For the masses, you might get to go to a fairly decent university (top 20 of 120) if you are bright and lucky. This will cost you a fortune and provide no guarantees of anything, except debt.

The rest go to trumped up polytechnics, mostly selling courses of study that will provide little or no commercial value. Go to one of the bottom 40 and that will put an indelible stain on your CV if the form of the name of the educational flop house that you spent 3 years at.
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What a clusterfuck,

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12129355
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