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MM: The Declaration of Independence may have been written a couple hundred years ago, but it was written by people much smarter that you or I and is still as relevant today as it was back then.

America has a long history of Citizen Soldiers. Look at Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII etc. All done by citizens who took up arms, otherwise you would be speaking German or Japanese. Whether you like it or not, the new citizen solder (militia) movement in America is growing and its a direct causality of our government getting more and more corrupt. Do we really need every police dept. in America having a military SWAT team? No, but the corrupt elitists that run the government need them.

I am against burning down private business, but its happening now and it happened in Watts years ago. If the breaking point is ever reached and I believe it will, organized militia's won't be burning down peoples livelihood, they will go after the corruption. The key word here is "Organization." It goes without saying that the military trained police will fire on civilians. The big question will be will the federal government nullify/ignore Posse Comitatus and bring in the real military and how many will fire on civilians and how many will join them. Yes, interesting times are coming. I hope to live long enough to see them and change.

You know who the modern day organized and heavily armed populace is? Street gangs. Think they'll be going after corruption and fighting for freedom still?

Fighting corruption is the first thing the crips and the bloods will do if law and order breaks down. Or am I getting mixed up with raping and pillaging?

Since there is another thread on this topic in General Chatter, I am thinking it might make sense to merge the two.

Sailorman wrote:MM: The Declaration of Independence may have been written a couple hundred years ago, but it was written by people much smarter that you or I and is still as relevant today as it was back then.

America has a long history of Citizen Soldiers. Look at Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII etc. All done by citizens who took up arms, otherwise you would be speaking German or Japanese. Whether you like it or not, the new citizen solder (militia) movement in America is growing and its a direct causality of our government getting more and more corrupt. Do we really need every police dept. in America having a military SWAT team? No, but the corrupt elitists that run the government need them.

I am against burning down private business, but its happening now and it happened in Watts years ago. If the breaking point is ever reached and I believe it will, organized militia's won't be burning down peoples livelihood, they will go after the corruption. The key word here is "Organization." It goes without saying that the military trained police will fire on civilians. The big question will be will the federal government nullify/ignore Posse Comitatus and bring in the real military and how many will fire on civilians and how many will join them. Yes, interesting times are coming. I hope to live long enough to see them and change.

The Declaration of Independence is a very important historical document; it has nothing to do with this scenario. It was a specific document written about specific events in our history. You can't just take a sentence like that and apply it to anything you don't like politically; this isn't democracy.

I don't trust these militia movements and so far I've been proven right. Remember the Cliven Bundy standoff? The dude was nothing more than a moocher, trying to get for free what everyone else pays for, and all these rednecks with guns came in to stop the federal marshals from imposing very reasonable law & order.

I was ashamed out government backed down to the rednecks and would have liked to see them all shot dead right there and then, but obviously that would have looked horrible to the public so it wasn't going to happen.

But hey, want to know something about Bundy? He doesn't even recognize US sovereignty, only Nevada sovereignty. That's really patriotic, huh?

These are the people of these militia movements - unstable, fear-driven, lunatics who build bunkers in their backyards and keep a year's supply of food in the basement, forever telling us to "open our eyes" because we can't see the supposedly obvious impending doom.

These people shouldn't run anything.

Rain Dog wrote:Since there is another thread on this topic in General Chatter, I am thinking it might make sense to merge the two.

Yeah... problem with merging is that it organizes by time of post... making a scramble. :-/

The Declaration Of Independence IS relevant today as it was when written. Plain and simple, you have a corrupt governing body, you rise up as a people, throw it out and install a new uncorrupted group of governors. If that is done at the voting box or by the gun is all a matter of if the present form of corrupt American government will let change happen. (they won't)

America is at a sink or swim juncture in its history. We either allow our government to violation of our civil rights (a la George Orwell's 1984) or "WE The People" do as our founding fathers said and do our "Duty" and throw the bums out. It doesn't get any more plain than that. Live on your knees or live on your two feet.

I've experience first hand our federal government's militarization and brain washing of the police forces. Its not a matter of will the present corrupt government/ship-of-state capsize, but when. I just hope I live long enough to take part in the change that is coming.

BTW/ I happen to know some members of a militia group and they are not red-necks, or crazies, or right-wingers. They are level headed people that know what is coming. (A good many are ex-military.) I liken them to our fore fathers that stood against the British at Lexington and Concord. (Minutemen that are ready when the sh*t hits the fan.) The corrupt federal government is scared sh*tless of these militia's and the American people's right to keep and bear arms. (The difference between serfs and citizens is the right to defend and arm yourself.)

During the Watt's riots in LA, citizens took up arms and defended their property and business's as the police where nowhere to be seen. I remember a news picture of a business owner standing on the roof of his business with a .30cal M-1 carbine. He and others saved their livelihood from misguided rioters and looters.

Sailorman wrote:The Declaration Of Independence IS relevant today as it was when written.

Curious then... why do you think they said "all men are created equal" and not "all native and properly naturalized citizens are created equal"?