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newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:41 am

Anthony's Weiner wrote:So your father would not be allowed into the USA on a H-1 visa now because despite having a good education he was destitute. No doubt he didn t have to rely on any form of assistance to find shelter, clothing or food for his family. And if he had a good education as you claim he was lucky not to have to settle as a refugee as 700,000 fellow Vietnamese did. Thank your lucky stars that the world was not as cruel then as it is now. People on welfare buy mansions.. I call bullshit. How the F did they get a mortgage? If it people were as cold-hearted then as you are now, your mom, dad and yourself would not be bitching about how much tax you pay, you would be sharing a bowl of rice amongst the three of you. Shame on you!

First, getting an H1-B visa has nothing to do with how much money one has in the bank, or who’s one’s family is. It depends on skills. If there is a skill that is needed and can’t be found anywhere else, an employer will sponsor workers on these visas. Also known as brain drain. As is customary of the immediate post war generation, public assistance meant self reliance. He saved his salary and lived at the workplace to save money on living expenses. And yes, the chances of getting a H1-B visa would be more difficult now. Not because of destitution, not because of imagined cruelty. But simply because those skills are not so difficult to find locally now.

Second, the Vietnamese boat people resettlement program was an act of Congress, due to the repercussions of the US losing in Vietnam. There is no relation to the Vietnamese and people illegally crossing the border and overstaying visas, then crying for compassion afterwards. Unless you want to argue that all these illegals are the result of US military loses as well? Or are you suggesting that the US should adopt open borders?

Third, the state I grew up in is fantastically corrupt. They are proud of being corrupt. It was founded by smugglers and forced to join the colonies almost by gun point. Did I say that these welfare recipients went the honest way? More like bending every system into a pretzel for their own selfish goals. Same as everyone else there.

Again, where does wanting everyone to follow the law = being cruel? And allowing everyone to break the law = compassion?

Don’t worry about cold hearted. My dad felt he was looked down upon everyday when he was working just because he wasn’t Caucasian.

Again, sorry for such a long reply.

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:28 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:41 am
Anthony's Weiner wrote:
First, getting an H1-B visa has nothing to do with how much money one has in the bank, or who’s one’s family is. It depends on skills. If there is a skill that is needed and can’t be found anywhere else, an employer will sponsor workers on these visas. Also known as brain drain. As is customary of the immediate post war generation, public assistance meant self reliance. He saved his salary and lived at the workplace to save money on living expenses. And yes, the chances of getting a H1-B visa would be more difficult now. Not because of destitution, not because of imagined cruelty. But simply because those skills are not so difficult to find locally now.

Second, the Vietnamese boat people resettlement program was an act of Congress, due to the repercussions of the US losing in Vietnam. There is no relation to the Vietnamese and people illegally crossing the border and overstaying visas, then crying for compassion afterwards. Unless you want to argue that all these illegals are the result of US military loses as well? Or are you suggesting that the US should adopt open borders?

Third, the state I grew up in is fantastically corrupt. They are proud of being corrupt. It was founded by smugglers and forced to join the colonies almost by gun point. Did I say that these welfare recipients went the honest way? More like bending every system into a pretzel for their own selfish goals. Same as everyone else there.

Again, where does wanting everyone to follow the law = being cruel? And allowing everyone to break the law = compassion?

Don’t worry about cold hearted. My dad felt he was looked down upon everyday when he was working just because he wasn’t Caucasian.

Again, sorry for such a long reply.

No need to apologize. I am very surprised your father would qualify for an H-1B visa as the rules state the visa is for "an alien having a residence in a foreign country which he has no intention of abandoning who is of distinguished merit and ability and who is coming temporarily to the United States to perform temporary services of an exceptional nature requiring such merit and ability." This has been the rule since 1952 when the visa was created. Obviously it was your father's intent to abandon Vietnam.

Vietnamese refugees often called boat people also settled in Canada, Australia, France. No act of Congress covered those people and they were given asylum. In Canada, most were sponsored by churches although the Canadian government was the actual guarantor of their financial stability. IE the public purse.

I have great respect for Vietnamese refugees and know many in Canada. They left their homeland and suffered unimaginable hardships to start life again in a foreign country having to learn a new language and culture before they could assimilate. The one common thread amongst the stories I am familiar with is even well educated Vietnamese were forced to perform menial tasks in order to survive once they arrived. Your father was very lucky to be fluent in English and with his education able to seamlessly arrive near destitute and immediately provide his family with shelter, food and clothing with no outside help.

I am sure your father puts his families welfare first. As a father, there is very little I would not do in order to see my wife and children have a better life. You often sing the praise of the current President. Under his administration refugee admissions to America have dwindled to 22,000 in 2018. there were 35 years worth of Vietnamese refugees in 1979 at that rate. Canada accepted 35,000 despite having a higher tax rate and 1/10th the US population.

American military /industrial complex is the largest in the world and America does not do its fair share for the victims of their military weapons sales. Obviously America was not responsible for the Vietnamese civil war, neither were the French. I find it telling that you speak of the "US losing in Vietnam." The South Vietnamese government and military were extremely corrupt, The South Vietnamese lost the war because of this corruption, a war America should never be involved in. Perhaps your father's experiences with corruption made it possible to prosper in the most corrupt state in America, I assume you refer to Louisiana.

Again, I do not believe welfare recipients live in mansions in any state in America and greed is obviously not a trait of welfare recipients only. Now that your family has a better life, now that your people have prospered, you feel the time to be generous and accepting of others less fortunate is over.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:27 am

Anthony's Weiner wrote:Vietnamese refugees often called boat people also settled in Canada, Australia, France. No act of Congress covered those people and they were given asylum. In Canada, most were sponsored by churches although the Canadian government was the actual guarantor of their financial stability. IE the public purse.

I have great respect for Vietnamese refugees and know many in Canada. They left their homeland and suffered unimaginable hardships to start life again in a foreign country having to learn a new language and culture before they could assimilate. The one common thread amongst the stories I am familiar with is even well educated Vietnamese were forced to perform menial tasks in order to survive once they arrived. Your father was very lucky to be fluent in English and with his education able to seamlessly arrive near destitute and immediately provide his family with shelter, food and clothing with no outside help.

How silly of me. The US never passed any acts or laws to give them asylum ...

“The Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act, passed on May 23, 1975, under President Gerald Ford, was a response to the Fall of Saigon and the end of the Vietnam War. Under this act, approximately 130,000 refugees from South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia were allowed to enter the United States under a special status, and the act allotted for special relocation aid and financial assistance.”

The story of America is typically that of well educated immigrants arriving and doing menial tasks, at first. But they save, work hard, and sacrifice for later success.

The US has always provide exceptions to this such as refugee groups.

And yes, as the overall number of illegals has increased, the number of refugees allowed in has decreased. The system can only absorb so much at any given time.

My issue is legal immigration vs. illegal immigration.
Legal immigration tends to take the talent from the rest of the world and concentrate it in the US. Illegal immigration does the opposite. America is hiring Spanish teachers from Mexico to teach kids how to read and write Spanish. So they can teach it to their parents. So there is a chance of assimilation.

Major cities have Chinatown, Korea town, etc. go to cities on the southern border of the US, such as El Paso and point out a defined area known as Spanish or Mexican town? Has there been more assimilation since 7-10 million illegals arrived or less assimilation?

If you advocate that the US and all the western countries should have open borders and that anyone should be a citizen based on compassionate grounds, then say so. But there is a cost. If you want to open your home to people who haven’t been screened for diseases, checked to see if they know enough English to function in society, and examined to see that they have the educational background to work hard to make their own luck.

Why should the government take more of the people’s money to do what it wants? Why not give the people more money so they can choose?

The higher the tax rate to support more government largess, the lower the charity rate.

Systems that are designed and encouraged to be abused will be abused. Systems that are designed not to be abused and encouraged not to be abused will tend not to be abused.

Sorry for such a long reply. It’s been a fascinating discussion.

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:43 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:27 am
Anthony's Weiner wrote:Vietnamese refugees often called boat people also settled in Canada, Australia, France. No act of Congress covered those people and they were given asylum. In Canada, most were sponsored by churches although the Canadian government was the actual guarantor of their financial stability. IE the public purse.

I have great respect for Vietnamese refugees and know many in Canada. They left their homeland and suffered unimaginable hardships to start life again in a foreign country having to learn a new language and culture before they could assimilate. The one common thread amongst the stories I am familiar with is even well educated Vietnamese were forced to perform menial tasks in order to survive once they arrived. Your father was very lucky to be fluent in English and with his education able to seamlessly arrive near destitute and immediately provide his family with shelter, food and clothing with no outside help.
How silly of me. The US never passed any acts or laws to give them asylum ...

“The Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act, passed on May 23, 1975, under President Gerald Ford, was a response to the Fall of Saigon and the end of the Vietnam War. Under this act, approximately 130,000 refugees from South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia were allowed to enter the United States under a special status, and the act allotted for special relocation aid and financial assistance.”

The story of America is typically that of well educated immigrants arriving and doing menial tasks, at first. But they save, work hard, and sacrifice for later success.

The US has always provide exceptions to this such as refugee groups.

And yes, as the overall number of illegals has increased, the number of refugees allowed in has decreased. The system can only absorb so much at any given time.

My issue is legal immigration vs. illegal immigration.
Legal immigration tends to take the talent from the rest of the world and concentrate it in the US. Illegal immigration does the opposite. America is hiring Spanish teachers from Mexico to teach kids how to read and write Spanish. So they can teach it to their parents. So there is a chance of assimilation.

Major cities have Chinatown, Korea town, etc. go to cities on the southern border of the US, such as El Paso and point out a defined area known as Spanish or Mexican town? Has there been more assimilation since 7-10 million illegals arrived or less assimilation?

If you advocate that the US and all the western countries should have open borders and that anyone should be a citizen based on compassionate grounds, then say so. But there is a cost. If you want to open your home to people who haven’t been screened for diseases, checked to see if they know enough English to function in society, and examined to see that they have the educational background to work hard to make their own luck.

Why should the government take more of the people’s money to do what it wants? Why not give the people more money so they can choose?

The higher the tax rate to support more government largess, the lower the charity rate.

Systems that are designed and encouraged to be abused will be abused. Systems that are designed not to be abused and encouraged not to be abused will tend not to be abused.

Sorry for such a long reply. It’s been a fascinating discussion.

So you feel it was right to provide Vietnamese refugees special relocation aid and financial assistance but not Iraqi, Syrian or Afghani refugees the same? All four countries have been bombed mercilessly by US forces but only Vietnamese are deserving?
The USA admitted 11 Syrian refugees in 2018, that works out to an 11,818 year supply of Syrian refugees at current asylum rates.

Vietnamese also tend to congregate along the western coast, many in California, with 10 of the largest 19 Vietnamese communities in America are in California. Do you feel they should be dispersed evenly across America so US citizens do not have to hear their native tongue or see Vietnamese language newspapers?

El Paso was, in fact, a Spanish speaking community long before the gringos showed up and are probably a poor example of a community changed by immigration. Perhaps you should look at Garden Grove Ca or Westminister Ca., both which have populations of over 30% Vietnamese?

Surely you must be able to find it in your heart to give other families, victims of war as your was the opportunity to a better life as was given your family. You proudly posted the pictures of your expensive wedding to a Khmer, perhaps 10% of the cost would be considered appropriate to show your love for the country that gave your family this opportunity to "make their luck" I would suggest 260,000 Iraqis currently place on the UN Refugee list are as deserving of this benevolence as your family was.

Ask your father if he was willing to wait the 11,818 years by following the rules to see his children grow up in safety, I am sure I know the answer. You live a charmed life, no doubt through hard work and determination, I believe you would have a charming afterlife if you were to show compassion to those less fortunate instead of the contempt you show for those in need.

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:52 pm

Getting back on track.

Plibersek calls Dutton a hypocrite over au pair scandal
Upon learning of the family’s move to the remote island off the coast of Indonesia, Ms Plibersek took aim at Mr Dutton, calling on him to “end this cruelty now”.

“It’s a bit rich for Peter Dutton to talk about precedent when he’s prepared to use his ministerial powers to allow au pairs to enter the country,” Ms Plibersek said on the ABC’s Insiders program Sunday morning.

Last September, the Home Affairs Minister was found to have personally intervened to help the nannies of wealthy and powerful friends enter the country from Ethiopia, according to ABC reports.

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Mr Dutton has previously said the Tamil family must accept they are not refugees and don't deserve Australia's protection.

The Department of Immigration said in a statement that the family's case had been assessed over many years and decisions have also been the subject of judicial review applications in the courts.

Supporters of a Tamil asylum seeker family rally to stop their eminent deportation in Melbourne. Further protests across the country are planned. Source: AAP / Ellen SmithView photos
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The family has received strong support from Australians, with more than 200,000 signatures in a petition to keep them from deportation.

Protesters have plans to hold a silent vigil outside the Home Affairs Minister's office in Melbourne on Sunday, with planned protests in all other capital cities, as well as in Biloela.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:46 pm

Anthony's Weiner wrote:
newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:27 am .... I believe you would have a charming afterlife if you were to show compassion to those less fortunate instead of the contempt you show for those in need.
Obviously you believe in purely emotionally based arguments, believe completely in illegal immigration, open, borders, and letting everyone in. No need to slander and denigrate others who don’t agree with your point of view.

I believe in legal immigration and following laws. If there more refugee acts passed that allow others to come in, then it is called legal immigration. If the government passes a law that allows this couple in Australia to gain citizenship, then it is legal immigration. I believe that unchecked and unregulated immigration is hurting the US.

Please go and live in a high tax state and city that supports illegal immigration. You will feel better, your karma will be through the roof, and you will wonder why you work a zillion hours and get paid almost nothing for your efforts.

I work hard here to give missus the life she deserves and am patiently going through the ViSA process with her so that she can be with me forever. Every dollar I earn should go to her rather than taken away from me in taxes. Or go to charities that I decide to support. Or to church. Or to temple.

Sorry for digressing on this thread to express my views.

pczz · Post by **pczz** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:54 pm

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:46 pm
Anthony's Weiner wrote:
newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:27 am .... I believe you would have a charming afterlife if you were to show compassion to those less fortunate instead of the contempt you show for those in need.
Obviously you believe in purely emotionally based arguments, believe completely in illegal immigration, open, borders, and letting everyone in. No need to slander and denigrate others who don’t agree with your point of view.

I believe in legal immigration and following laws. If there more refugee acts passed that allow others to come in, then it is called legal immigration. If the government passes a law that allows this couple in Australia to gain citizenship, then it is legal immigration. I believe that unchecked and unregulated immigration is hurting the US.

Please go and live in a high tax state and city that supports illegal immigration. You will feel better, your karma will be through the roof, and you will wonder why you work a zillion hours and get paid almost nothing for your efforts.

I work hard here to give missus the life she deserves and am patiently going through the ViSA process with her so that she can be with me forever. Every dollar I earn should go to her rather than taken away from me in taxes. Or go to charities that I decide to support. Or to church. Or to temple.

Sorry for digressing on this thread to express my views.
meanwhile poor mexicans are still allowed to cross the border to do jobs american's don't want at pay rates americans will not accept. this is not a dig at america. it is the process everywhere. In the UK we use cheap europena labour. Previously it was cheap commonwealth labourPoor immigrant labour sustains modern capitalist systems. By all means if you dont want them comig them force your employers to pay a living wage and make your own citizens do the work instead, but if you are going to use and abuse them for profit they must have some rights. At one time, when the berlin wall came down, the UK wasthe poor man of europe with no jobs. thosands of brits went to work in germany, in poor conditions on construction sites. i do not remember any of them complaining about bloody immigrants. But now poor Polish builders have been coming to the uk, all of a sudden its a BAD THING.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:33 pm

I agree.

When I was growing up, a kid could mow the neighborhood lawns to make some allowance money. Now those jobs are gone. So are a lot of the building jobs, etc. Pickup trucks come and pick up workers from some parking lot somewhere for the days work now.

Is adversion to hard work a millennial thing?

Isaanbarang · Post by **Isaanbarang** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:23 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:33 pm I agree.

When I was growing up, a kid could mow the neighborhood lawns to make some allowance money. Now those jobs are gone. So are a lot of the building jobs, etc. Pickup trucks come and pick up workers from some parking lot somewhere for the days work now.

Is adversion to hard work a millennial thing?

It appears your argument is based solely on greed. Your family deserved the benevolence America offered you but others do not as now you must pay taxes. I can certainly see why people looked down on your father as you claim. I am not at all surprised that you went to KOW do find a bride, no doubt cheaper than choosing American. One Australian life was too high a price to have paid protecting the corrupt South Vietnamese people. They sold the weapons we gave them and ran away from a fight, Australia took far to many of them as refugees only for them to repay us with their drug dealing children. Enjoy your money and whinge all you want about your high taxes, the most corrupt people on the face of earth.

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:39 pm

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:33 pm I agree.

When I was growing up, a kid could mow the neighborhood lawns to make some allowance money. Now those jobs are gone. So are a lot of the building jobs, etc. Pickup trucks come and pick up workers from some parking lot somewhere for the days work now.

Is adversion to hard work a millennial thing?

Those jobs are not gone, whites don t do them. I lived in Texas in the early '90s, whites don t cut their own lawns, bus their own tables or clean their own houses.

While more than 112,000 people were prosecuted for illegal entry or re-entry into the U.S. over the past year, just 11 employers faced criminal charges for hiring undocumented workers, according to an analysis of government data obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University.

“The latest available data show that during the last 12 months (April 2018 to March 2019) only 11 individuals (and no companies) were prosecuted in just seven cases,” TRAC said in a statement releasing the findings. “Not only are few employers prosecuted, fewer who are convicted receive sentences that amount to more than token punishment.”
http://hrexecutive.com/how-many-employe ... -illegals/

tRump is not enforcing employment laws because his companies don't comply with them. tRump followers are sold a bill of goods and blame the illegals for their woes while they profit from illegals's labour. The 1% or people who claim to pay too much taxes find an example of someone on welfare living in a "mansion" to further demonize the poor while they exploit them. These evil money hungry greedy pigs demand that America fit their needs, not the needs of the nation. El Paso must speak English despite it being first founded in 1591 by Spanish explorer Don Juan de Onate and have no concerns that cities in California have Vietnamese populations exceeding 30% and Vietnamese have had their own newspapers since 1978. Nguoi Viet Daily News also publishes four weekly editions: Nguoi Viet North-East, Nguoi Viet Houston, Nguoi Viet San Francisco, and Nguoi Viet Utah. How incredibly ignorant to demand the original settlers comply with your demands when you feel your people deserve better treatment. How f@cking unAmerican can you be? My argument is not based on emotion, it is based on fact, yours is based solely on greed.

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