Malaysia to summon Chinese envoy over jets intrusion

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Malaysia to summon Chinese envoy over jets intrusion

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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Malaysia's government will issue a diplomatic protest against an “intrusion" by 16 Chinese military aircraft into its airspace, the foreign minister said.

Foreign Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said late Tuesday that he will summon the Chinese ambassador to explain “this breach of the Malaysian airspace and sovereignty."

Malaysia's air force said its radar picked up the Chinese aircraft Monday near Malaysian-administered Luconia Shoals, a rich fishing ground in the disputed South China Sea. The Chinese planes then moved nearly 60 nautical miles (110 kilometers) off the coast of Sarawak on Borneo island.

After attempts to contact the aircraft failed, the air force sent its fighter planes to identify them. It said they were Ilyushin Il-76 and Xian Y-20 strategic transporters, flying at between 23,000-27,000 feet (7,000-8,000 meters) — altitude typically used by commercial flights. Malaysia called the incident a “serious threat to national sovereignty and flight safety."

“Malaysia’s stand is clear— having friendly diplomatic relations with any countries does not mean that we will compromise our national security," Hishammuddin said in a statement. He said he will relay Malaysia’s serious concern on the matter to his Chinese counterpart.

There was no reaction from Beijing.

China claims almost the entire South China Sea on historic grounds. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have overlapping claims, and tensions have ramped up since China built several man-made islands and turned them into military outposts.

The strategically important area straddles some of the world’s busiest sea lanes and is also rich in fisheries and may hold underground oil and natural gas reserves.

Malaysia says Chinese coast guard and navy ships intruded into its waters in the South China Sea 89 times between 2016 and 2019. Malaysia has filed six diplomatic protests to China, including one in 2017 in response to a Chinese note asserting its claim to the South Luconia Shoals.
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nemo wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:38 am How to win friends and influence people.
I don't think they can help themselves.
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Odd behavior for a nation entirely reliant on export and client states for labor.
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Apollo91881 wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:11 pm
nemo wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:38 am How to win friends and influence people.
I don't think they can help themselves.
That, and an overriding sense of power and indifference. What is diplomacy going to offer? A strongly worded rebuke? Until someone is willing to match them- not just intercept and monitor, but actual blockading, the likes of which Kennedy employed in Cuba, I can’t see the Chinese checking themselves.

Recent events regarding Belarus demonstrate that rogue states aren’t just where we’ve been expecting them for the last few decades.
An incursion by military aircraft into sovereign airspace- if it were to happen again, would the Malay government feel empowered to step up the response? To what end? If they did, how would it escalate? It must be expected that the Chinese would retaliate. Civil air transport between the two countries is a relatively soft target. Or would the Chinese try a similar tactic elsewhere? Casually prodding the neighbours, to see if they’re awake?
If it occurred again, and the Malays did nothing more, I’d imagine the Chinese might feel emboldened, and step up their efforts further.

I think the next few months have the potential to test the international community’s resolve, and to see if Beijing’s values diplomatic and trade associations.
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nemo wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:03 pm Odd behavior for a nation entirely reliant on export and client states for labor.
I’m not so convinced that it is odd in their eyes. Odd from our perspective, yes. But it would be a mistake to expect them to think the same way.
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Freightdog wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:12 pm
Apollo91881 wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:11 pm
nemo wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:38 am How to win friends and influence people.
I don't think they can help themselves.
That, and an overriding sense of power and indifference. What is diplomacy going to offer? A strongly worded rebuke? Until someone is willing to match them- not just intercept and monitor, but actual blockading, the likes of which Kennedy employed in Cuba, I can’t see the Chinese checking themselves.

Recent events regarding Belarus demonstrate that rogue states aren’t just where we’ve been expecting them for the last few decades.
An incursion by military aircraft into sovereign airspace- if it were to happen again, would the Malay government feel empowered to step up the response? To what end? If they did, how would it escalate? It must be expected that the Chinese would retaliate. Civil air transport between the two countries is a relatively soft target. Or would the Chinese try a similar tactic elsewhere? Casually prodding the neighbours, to see if they’re awake?
If it occurred again, and the Malays did nothing more, I’d imagine the Chinese might feel emboldened, and step up their efforts further.

I think the next few months have the potential to test the international community’s resolve, and to see if Beijing’s values diplomatic and trade associations.
All good points there Freightdog. Seems to me the Malaysians scrambled their jets for this incursion, took some pics, told them to get out of Malaysian airspace and they just ignored and continued on their way.. What were the Malaysians gonna do? Shoot them down? No, all they can do is call in some PRC embassy diplomat for a strong rebuke.

They did the same thing with all those fishing boats in Philippines waters. Pushing their weight in the South China Sea and they know exactly who they can push around..
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Steady cooperative getting our shit together.
United We Stand and all that.
Just exactlty like Biden is pulling for. (three huge cheers for the USA) It is the only thing that will work.
It is the only answer that SEA will respond to or act on.
It is the only thing that is realistic.

(If you think Trumps boasting perapedactic blathering BS and outright deliberate offensiveness did either USA or SEA any favours you are seriously deluded. He was worse than useless - attitudes swung China's way in droves by governments and populations.
He was a looser. Everybody here saw that very clearly, Xi was a winner.
FFS he did not even appoint ambassadors to ASEAN or Australia for 3 whole years)

ALL this tough talk of direct confrontation by ANY single country at this point is la la land. Totally ignorant of the realities of power in this region.
I remind the John Wayne crew that the front line and the most powerful force here is $$$Money. The economic power, the resources power, the market power and the labour force power. We gotta start being smart.
And we (SEA) finally seem to be heading that way.
I have real hope that the steam ship of recent history is finally being turned around. A bit of a miracle really - It seemed unstoppable right thru until about this year.
Chin up - 'Shit together.

(just my view)
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SternAAlbifrons wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:30 pm Steady cooperative getting our shit together.
United We Stand and all that.
Just exactlty like Biden is pulling for. (three huge cheers for the USA) It is the only thing that will work.
It is the only answer that SEA will respond to or act on.
It is the only thing that is realistic.

(If you think Trumps boasting perapedactic blathering BS and outright deliberate offensiveness did either USA or SEA any favours you are seriously deluded. He was worse than useless - attitudes swung China's way in droves by governments and populations.
He was a looser. Everybody here saw that very clearly, Xi was a winner.
FFS he did not even appoint ambassadors to ASEAN or Australia for 3 whole years)

ALL this tough talk of direct confrontation by ANY single country at this point is la la land. Totally ignorant of the realities of power in this region.
I remind the John Wayne crew that the front line and the most powerful force here is $$$Money. The economic power, the resources power, the market power and the labour force power. We gotta start being smart.
And we (SEA) finally seem to be heading that way.
I have real hope that the steam ship of recent history is finally being turned around. A bit of a miracle really - It seemed unstoppable right thru until about this year.
Chin up - 'Shit together.

(just my view)

I take it you didn't follow Trump's policies toward China very well, he has Winnie the Pooh running with his tail between his legs.

Maybe don't keep drinking the Kool aid buddy?
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