A Grand Jury Did Indict One Person Involved In Eric Garner's Killing -- The Man Who Filmed It
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On Wednesday, a Staten Island grand jury decided not to return an indictment for the police officer who put Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, in a chokehold shortly before his death. A different Staten Island grand jury was less sympathetic to Ramsey Orta, however, the man who filmed the entire incident.

In August, less than a month after filming the fatal July 17 encounter in which Daniel Pantaleo and other NYPD police officers confronted Garner for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes, a grand jury indicted Orta on weapons charges stemming from an arrest by undercover officers earlier that month.

Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25 caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel. Orta testified that the charges were falsely mounted by police in retaliation for his role in documenting Garner's death, but the grand jury rejected his contention, charging him with single felony counts of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.

In Garner's case, on the other hand, jurors determined there was not probable cause that Pantaleo had committed any crime. A medical examiner ruled Garner's death homicide in part resulting from the chokehold, a restraining move banned by the NYPD in 1993.

The use of grand juries in high-profile police killings has attracted increasing scrutiny after such juries declined to indict both Darren Wilson, the police officer who shot and killed unarmed black teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri this summer, and now Pantaleo. While the famous saying goes that a grand jury could "indict a ham sandwich," it's become clear that they also give much more leeway to police officers.

St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch's objectivity was regularly called into question throughout the Brown case. Critics argue that the close cooperation between law enforcement and prosecutors may make them more hesitant to bring charges against police officers.

In addition, in the Brown case, Wilson was allowed to offer hours of testimony in his own defense. For this and other reasons, critics accused prosecutors of abusing the grand jury process to achieve an outcome that would be favorable to law enforcement. It's not yet clear what role, if any, Pantaleo played in the grand jury proceedings.


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Yes sounds about right. They always do shit like this. The amount of times police officers get you to fuck up is cause you dont know your rights or what a police officer can and cannot do. Nor does anyone teach you this BEFORE an incident.


the NYPD are mostly good guys. I only had good encounters with the NYPD but maybe thats cause of my White Privilege.


This story is being in tangled with Ferguson way too much. Very different scenarios. I do feel this cop should be in jail for the chock hold. Pantaleo also has a shitty record from what I understand.

In AmeriKa, the federal government is militarizing the police so it stands to reason that they kill first and cover it up later. I had cops hovering over me (me on the dirt) and them discussing if they could shoot me and the neighbor watching all this, then put a throw down gun in my hand and blame me. Unfortunately for them more people showed up to watch.

Sailorman wrote:In AmeriKa, the federal government is militarizing the police so it stands to reason that they kill first and cover it up later. I had cops hovering over me (me on the dirt) and them discussing if they could shoot me and the neighbor watching all this, then put a throw down gun in my hand and blame me. Unfortunately for them more people showed up to watch.

Not a single guilty man in prison either... all with buddies who will swear they saw the whole thing.

The American prison system has more people in it per capita than any other country on EARTH! (2,200,000 and counting) Its a cash cow for the corporations and bar associations. A big percentage of people in US prisons shouldn't be there. (there is a percentage that should never be let back into the population.) The American police forces are the new Waffen SS. Every day the militarized US police shoot unarmed citizens.

Lets count the American police forces.

1) City police
2) County police
3) State police
4) Transit police
5) Code enforcement police
6) Border patrol (police)
7) Immigration police
8.) Forest rangers (police)
9) Fish and game police
10) Airport Police
11) Train police
12) The FBI
13) Dept of justice police
14 The Secret Service (police)
15 Treasury police
16) Parks police
17) Military police
18) US Coast Guard (water police)
19) Internal Revenue police

And it just keeps going on and on and all have military SWAT teams.

while I like many of Sailorman's post, when he gets onto this bullshit he's nothing more than some nutcase in a survivalist magazine. DO YOU SUPPOSE that the cops around you were simply local morons that could not find other jobs and NOT a goverment tested, train and approved shock force? No, I don't suppose you do.

As to the topic, that guy was HUGE. He made those cops look like "little Levitt" (Barney Miller). He was resisting. First comes the shock...me? I'm not doin anything, then comes the accusasions ala Sailorman, the race card bullshit. That guy could have easily paralyzed some of those guys. I do think the force in NYC must be scraping rock bottom, those guys were well away from him.

Lil "hey look at me, promote me" will probably live with this for a while but bottom line, cops deal with stuff all day 24/7 as bad or worse, perps playin the system, and so on. I can imagine there was some "I'm tired of this bullshit, let's just take him down, process him and get back on the street" thinking goin on.

Mr. Curious: It stands to reason that you would use a Mr. Natural look alike avatar (as in stoned out.)

From the nut case: A lot of the police in America are local morons. I know an ex-California State Patrolman that quit because they were hiring skinheads and turning them loose on the public. What honesty and dignity was in the police forces in America has been trained out of them by the federal government wanting a black suited Waffen SS like military force to subjugate the Sheeple. Police don't have to abide by the Posse Comitatus Act or 1878 (18USC1385)

You said one thing right,"Shock Force." That's all the police are anymore in the US. To Serve and Protect? You believe that and I've got a real nice bridge down here in Snooky I'll let you have real cheap.

Militarized American cops are killing unarmed citizens and our sons and daughters every day or don't you read or look at the media? Would you want to be a black man in America and be pulled over by the cops/thugs?

Well I'm a brown man that's been pulled over by cops for driving suspiciously, yes I saw the cop behind.me but I only pulled over to drop off a friend and head back to where I was at previously. The cop waited for me a road ahead and ended up giving me a field sobriety test, she was a new cop reading off the instructions from a card while about 6 to 8 other officers from 4 other cars looked on. It was great fun doing it with a pipe in my breast pocket, I have no idea how this post is even related to current events anymore since I don't fit the targeted group. Maybe it was the car I was driving, maybe it was how I was dressed, maybe it was my relatively clean driving record that and spotless criminal record that made the cops not search me. I forgot what this post was about. Oh yea, riding passenger in California I was searched because of a broken tail light lens.

iluvu wrote:Well I'm a brown man that's been pulled over by cops for driving suspiciously, yes I saw the cop behind.me but I only pulled over to drop off a friend and head back to where I was at previously. The cop waited for me a road ahead and ended up giving me a field sobriety test, she was a new cop reading off the instructions from a card while about 6 to 8 other officers from 4 other cars looked on. It was great fun doing it with a pipe in my breast pocket, I have no idea how this post is even related to current events anymore since I don't fit the targeted group. Maybe it was the car I was driving, maybe it was how I was dressed, maybe it was my relatively clean driving record that and spotless criminal record that made the cops not search me. I forgot what this post was about. Oh yea, riding passenger in California I was searched because of a broken tail light lens.

I'm a not brown guy who's had just the same. I'm not sure why black/brown people think they're the only ones this happens to. I got pulled over WALKING because it was 2am and I was wearing a large black coat... looked suspicious. I just explained I'd had too much to drink at the nearby bar, lived in the area, and was walking home. He ended up just giving me a lift to make sure, since my address on my ID didn't match up. Saved me a 2 mile walk in the cold.

And arguably, if I were to see some dude walking at 2am in a residential neighborhood in a large black coat, I'd be a little suspicious as well. I know if there was such a guy ing outside my house on the street I'd want the cops to give him a lookover and make sure he wasn't about to start robbing places... if there was a little more of that in Cambodia maybe everyone wouldn't have to wrap their houses in razor wire and put inch thick steel bars on all the windows.

If you live on a David Koresh "we make our own laws" type of compound in America... you're probably gonna get a little more attention from them. Such places and those that live on them have a history of creating some pretty serious problems. Sailor sounds like that kind of nutter... the ones who have a bomb shelter in their back yard full of spam and guns and go down there to masturbate to the latest issue of survivalist weekly while praying for the shit to hit the fan so they can yell out a big "told you so!" while mowing down anyone they feel isn't good for "their country" with their stockpiles.

I enjoy Sailormans rants/opinions and knowledge. When the System threatens your life and security, that will happen.

I have been rousted in much milder ways and the system pisses me off too.

Please get off his tits.