Hong Kong - Protestor shot in Chest

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frank lee bent wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:41 am They won't back down
I totally agree FLB.

Facing down the Chicoms on their own doorstep takes a great deal of courage.

I have every respect for the Chinese people who raised themselves out of poverty, despite and not because of, their government.

The prospect of being under the Chinese boot is terrifying to any enlightened person.

Orwell on steroids.
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newkidontheblock wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:45 am It’s HK’s last gasp before the takeover. The treaty ends in 10 years. After that the people of Hong Kong can be disposed of just like Tibetans or Uyghurs. And the people know it.
26 years actually. From wikipedia: "In accordance with the "one country, two systems" principle agreed between the UK and the PRC, the socialist system of PRC would not be practised in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), and Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and its way of life would remain unchanged for a period of 50 years until 2047."

What happens to HK at the moment is frighteningly up in the air. But a lot can happen in 26 years, China's economy is at its lowest in 27 years, and the country is facing innumerable internal problems that it doesn't like to talk about, but which actually make the state a bit more fragile than many would think, such as "the floating population", the epidemic proportions of crime, misplaced investments, the exodus of the tycoons, and that's just the beginning. That said, China could also strengthen and continue to surreptitiously infiltrate HK (as it should have done instead trying to pass that ham-fisted bill 4 months ago, if it had been smarter). Not to mention the souring relations between both the PRC and the ROC (Taiwan), and also US due to ramped up arms trading between the latter two, and of course the trade war. How the trade war turns out for both parties is another big unknown, although I personally suspect it will largely benefit neither.

I think that HK protesters would be wise to back down soon - they have given their warning - and see what happens in the future. But as things stand, it would be an even bigger blow to the Chinese economy if it invaded HK right now, and I would be surprised if there was a takeover, at least by force. As Weiner mentioned, what's happening on the island is under intense world scrutiny at the moment, and any kind of invasion would shatter what is left of the HK's set-up and ready to go powerhouse economy, which the CCP desires to keep.

Another, more pessimistic way of looking at it, is: Why do they need to take over when they already have Carrie Lam in power, the HK police and triads doing their dirty work, and the majority of seats in the council? All they need to do is shuffle that up a bit to quell the riots, and then they can bide their time til 2047.

I remain hopeful for HK though. We'll see what happens.
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Duncan wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:01 am I can see this new law working .


http://www.asiaone.com/asia/hong-kong-g ... assemblies
With upwards of 70,000 people at a single protest, it would take a lot of cops to issue tickets. The ubiquitous white health mask is worn for everything from preventing breathing pollution to hiding a pimple. A hoodie drawn tight around the face and sunglasses can cover most of the face, a niqaab will do the trick. I imagine petrol bombs and metal rods are already illegal. I know at home if I attended a protest with a baseball bat, I had better be carrying a baseball as well.

I greatly admire the young people for their courage and determination, this is a fight between idealism and ruthlessness and I fear that ruthlessness is better armed.
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There are some great twitter feeds for anyone following this - a lot of live videos.

Try #hongkong #freehongkong #standwithhongkong #antielab #hongkongprotests

Hong Kong Hermit on twitter is a good source - he sounds like he is from the UK - live streams occasionally

There are some great frontline battles - and they are getting quite fierce - umbrellas, poles and anything else that comes to hand vs tear gas, bean-bag rounds, batons and of course pistols.

The storming of the Legco building was a classic - shocked the pro-beijing political class to their core
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Anthony's Weiner wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:52 am
Duncan wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:01 am I can see this new law working .


http://www.asiaone.com/asia/hong-kong-g ... assemblies
With upwards of 70,000 people at a single protest, it would take a lot of cops to issue tickets. The ubiquitous white health mask is worn for everything from preventing breathing pollution to hiding a pimple. A hoodie drawn tight around the face and sunglasses can cover most of the face, a niqaab will do the trick. I imagine petrol bombs and metal rods are already illegal. I know at home if I attended a protest with a baseball bat, I had better be carrying a baseball as well.

I greatly admire the young people for their courage and determination, this is a fight between idealism and ruthlessness and I fear that ruthlessness is better armed.
I assumed Duncan was being ironic, as there are laws against vandalism in HK already, and probably throwing molotovs at cops, too.
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Activating emergency powers may be the tipping point for Hong Kong.

Violence grips Hong Kong as Lam activates emergency powers
Thousands hit the streets, crowds set fire to stations and police fire live ammunition
Emma Graham-Harrison in Hong Kong
Fri 4 Oct 2019 18.04 BST
Thousands of people swept into the streets of Hong Kong for a night of violent protests after the government activated sweeping colonial-era powers for the first time in over half a century, using them to ban face masks.

The chief executive, Carrie Lam, also said harsher measures could be on the table if the protest movement continued, amid calls from police groups and pro-Beijing politicians for a citywide curfew, and discussion of delays to local elections set for November.

The government appeared braced for more clashes between police and protesters before Lam’s announcement that she had invoked the emergency regulations ordinance and passed a law forbidding the use of face masks.

Government employees were sent home early, all after-school activities were cancelled, and many shopping malls, banks and businesses shuttered.

Shortly after she finished a two-hour press conference, the first groups of protesters were filtering on to the streets of Hong Kong island.

After darkness fell, crowds set fire to two metro stations and vandalised shops and businesses considered pro-China; police responded with teargas, and in at least one case live ammunition.

There were reports that a student had been hit in the thigh by a bullet, after a group of protesters attacked an off-duty police officer. Hospital authorities said they had received a 14-year-old boy, who was in a serious condition.

At the press conference to announce the new anti-mask law, Lam said that if violence was not halted the government would not rule out any measures permitted by law. “Freedoms are not without limits,” she told journalists.

The emergency regulations ordinance, created by British authorities to break up port strikes in 1922, had not been used for more than half a century, and never since the handover of Hong Kong to Chinese rule in 1997.

It gives Lam virtually unlimited powers, although legal scholars said the government could be challenged in court if anything it did violated the Basic Law, the territory’s constitution.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... rgency-law
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it's really heating up now...

Another protestor shot in the leg!

The videos are online.

The cop in question got firebombed twice as a result. Lost his pistol for a while.

The Chinese banks are ablaze.

Chinese Fujian Triad Gang stores destroyed.

The subway is out - vandalized and burned.

I would say it has passed the point of peaceful protests now and getting on for a full blown riot.
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Mishmash wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:32 pm
I would say it has passed the point of peaceful protests now and getting on for a full blown riot.
Been that way since the invasion of the LegCo, really.
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siliconlife wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:35 pm
Mishmash wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:32 pm
I would say it has passed the point of peaceful protests now and getting on for a full blown riot.
Been that way since the invasion of the LegCo, really.
True....

Last night was full on after the anti-mask legislation.

I had hoped they would have followed the Philippine model that brought down Marcos or Gandhi's way of Civil Disobedience.

One thing though - they are braver than Runaway Rainsy
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Mishmash wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:47 pm
siliconlife wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:35 pm
Mishmash wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:32 pm
I would say it has passed the point of peaceful protests now and getting on for a full blown riot.
Been that way since the invasion of the LegCo, really.
True....

Last night was full on after the anti-mask legislation.

I had hoped they would have followed the Philippine model that brought down Marcos or Gandhi's way of Civil Disobedience.

One thing though - they are braver than Runaway Rainsy
Agree on all those points. To be honest this is kinda personal for me. I love HK, have great memories of its vibrant streets, and intelligent people. I tears me up to see it like this.

But yeah man, the rioters burned the place up last night. Our world is coming to a turning point (and no i don't mean WWIII), but HK is an inflammatory symptom of what is to come worldwide imo.
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