Go, Germany!

TheGrinchSR · Post by **TheGrinchSR** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:00 pm

Yobbo wrote:
TheGrinchSR wrote:Economies around the world are imploding because stupid people don't understand the difference between personal debt and national debt.

Yob:Most people are to busy surviving and rely on their elected representatives to do their jobs!

This is mainly because most people don't have a clue what's required for capitalism to work properly. (Note: It requires a continuous flow of the money within the system.

Yob:It requires growth!

This has nothing do with refugees unless you're incredibly stupid. Fortunately for politicians most people are incredibly stupid. This enabled them to bail out the wealthy with their money, while telling them it was for their own good. Had the banking crisis been allowed to run its course what would have happened? Well... a very tiny number of wealthy people would have lost lots of money. The rest of us would have found that our credit card debt, mortgage debt, overdrafts, etc. were unenforceable. A quick reboot and everyone would have started from scratch (something that could have been easily managed by an agreement between governments and the reintroduction of national banks). What would have happened after that? Well... everyone with a job would have started spending money. They would have no longer had to service any debt. So, they'd have had a shit load more to spend. What does spending create? Economic growth.

Yob:Recessions are healthy to an economy, It puts pricing back into check.
Why blame the marionettes rather than the marionettist's?

Don't blame refugees for aiding the collapse of the Western economic system - it's entirely the fault of stupid Western electorates. As is the collapse of Syria itself and as such, economic issues or not - we are morally obliged to help put things right.
Nobody is blaming the refugees it is just not sustainable, what country will it be next month.

Allocated immigration was the norm in the 60s/70s. To be sent to where infrastructure is needed for a period of 3 years then do what you will, gives people a chance to integrate. But no this is not PC!

There's no arguing with those with no common sense. If you think a recession is healthy... you're an idiot. End of story. Particularly if you say "it requires growth" for capitalism to work, then you're an idiot squared.

There's plenty of room in Europe for 1/2 a million people. Plenty of room. There's also plenty of room in Canada, Australia, the United States, etc. You can't "manage immigration" in response to a massive civil war that our governments created - you deal with it instead.

hanno · Post by **hanno** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:24 pm

TheGrinchSR wrote:
Yobbo wrote:
TheGrinchSR wrote:Economies around the world are imploding because stupid people don't understand the difference between personal debt and national debt.

Yob:Most people are to busy surviving and rely on their elected representatives to do their jobs!

This is mainly because most people don't have a clue what's required for capitalism to work properly. (Note: It requires a continuous flow of the money within the system.

Yob:It requires growth!

This has nothing do with refugees unless you're incredibly stupid. Fortunately for politicians most people are incredibly stupid. This enabled them to bail out the wealthy with their money, while telling them it was for their own good. Had the banking crisis been allowed to run its course what would have happened? Well... a very tiny number of wealthy people would have lost lots of money. The rest of us would have found that our credit card debt, mortgage debt, overdrafts, etc. were unenforceable. A quick reboot and everyone would have started from scratch (something that could have been easily managed by an agreement between governments and the reintroduction of national banks). What would have happened after that? Well... everyone with a job would have started spending money. They would have no longer had to service any debt. So, they'd have had a shit load more to spend. What does spending create? Economic growth.

Yob:Recessions are healthy to an economy, It puts pricing back into check.
Why blame the marionettes rather than the marionettist's?

Don't blame refugees for aiding the collapse of the Western economic system - it's entirely the fault of stupid Western electorates. As is the collapse of Syria itself and as such, economic issues or not - we are morally obliged to help put things right.
Nobody is blaming the refugees it is just not sustainable, what country will it be next month.

Allocated immigration was the norm in the 60s/70s. To be sent to where infrastructure is needed for a period of 3 years then do what you will, gives people a chance to integrate. But no this is not PC!
There's no arguing with those with no common sense. If you think a recession is healthy... you're an idiot. End of story. Particularly if you say "it requires growth" for capitalism to work, then you're an idiot squared.

There's plenty of room in Europe for 1/2 a million people. Plenty of room. There's also plenty of room in Canada, Australia, the United States, etc. You can't "manage immigration" in response to a massive civil war that our governments created - you deal with it instead.

Yobbo · Post by **Yobbo** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:26 pm

Your obviously not an environmentalist or an economist!
Just a bigoted simpleton that resorts to calling people idiots & morons!!!

Anchor Moy · Post by **Anchor Moy** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:00 am

Yobbo, without name-calling and blaming PC stuff, what do you propose to do with these refugees arriving in Europe ? The Australian immigration policy is about keeping any refugees as far from Australia as possible, but in the long term this is not a plan.

It's annoying and it's not great to have loads of people arriving at once, but that's is how it is right now, like it or not; these people are in Europe or knocking on the door and you can't pretend that they are not there. You cannot make them disappear by refusing to grant them entry and you cannot build walls big enough to keep them out. That is the fact of the matter. These people are there, whether or not they are desired, and they have to go somewhere. It's a huge problem, but you can't make it go away because you don't want it.
And I think Nauru has its own problems now.

Yobbo · Post by **Yobbo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:24 am

True Anchor Moy, there is no simple answer

The problem needs to be resolved in Syria & that's even more complicated!
Unfortunately Australia isn't creating the infrastructure.
I am in favour of allocated immigration in order to integrate & create that infrastructure.
As i previously stated i am a immigrant.

Sailorman · Post by **Sailorman** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:05 am

Countries like Indonesia, the Greeks, the Italians are allowing these people to pass through their country and onto countries that have welfare systems set up for their population. You don't allow these people to set foot in Europe or Australia. They come in boats, no one forced them on those boats. Instead of towing those boats to Europe or an island, you tow them back to the point/country of origin. Soon the word would get out that the people supplying the boats and racking in the money can't deliver. You advertise the fact that your navy will tow the boats back to point/country of origin. It won't take long and it all stops.

CJM555 · Post by **CJM555** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:36 pm

Sailorman wrote:Countries like Indonesia, the Greeks, the Italians are allowing these people to pass through their country and onto countries that have welfare systems set up for their population. You don't allow these people to set foot in Europe or Australia. They come in boats, no one forced them on those boats. Instead of towing those boats to Europe or an island, you tow them back to the point/country of origin. Soon the word would get out that the people supplying the boats and racking in the money can't deliver. You advertise the fact that your navy will tow the boats back to point/country of origin. It won't take long and it all stops.

Seriously, wtf you talking about ?

Very quick factual history lesson after two world wars;
UNHCR - The 1951 Convention was supported, adopted and signed by nations including the good ol USA to provide support to innocent victims, refugees fleeing war and persecution.
You should be embarrassed with the comments you have made on this Cambodian themed forum.

FAQ
http://www.unhcr.org/4ec262df9.html

Reasons
http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html

Inter alia individuals have a right of travel, travel documentation, right to life, right to housing, right to employment, right to medical care, right to a peaceful existence.

Your suggestions are not only unlawful, idiotic, draconian, simplistic but ultimately deemed in failure.

To suggest a warship or state vessel towing a raft or wooden boat back to Libya or Syria while both states are engaged in civil war is nonsensical.
Do you seriously believe Capeetan Stavros or any other skipper would attach a line to a raft and tow it back to Benghazi, Tripoli, or Latika ka ka in Syria ?
You believe Stavros will accept all liability and responsibility for 500 folks on the boat on tow and set sail from free, safe International waters into Syrian territory ?

vladimir · Post by **vladimir** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:24 pm

Yobbo wrote:Your obviously not an environmentalist or an economist!
Just a bigoted simpleton that resorts to calling people idiots & morons!!!

Says a guy called Yobbo.

vladimir · Post by **vladimir** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:30 pm

Sailorman wrote:They come in boats, no one forced them on those boats.

You do realise that the native Indians would say the same thing about your founding fathers, right?

Have you seen pictures of Aleppo or Kobane, or other war-torn towns? Are you completely blind?

Maybe you would leave your wife and kids to die there, but some have common sense and loyalty.

You need to learn, but you do not want to.

Sailorman · Post by **Sailorman** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:51 am

Tough times, make for tough decisions. Once you start turning these people around and depositing them back to point of origin, the traffickers that are making money out of their plight will not be able to deliver and it won't take long for the flood to stop.

Isn't Islam a wonderful religion to have spawned this crisis in part so that they could move mass's of Islamic believing people to rich European countries that will welcome them. Can you say Trojan Horse? if you don't believe there are ISIS fighters in that mob, I've got a bridge in Sihanoukville to sell you.

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