Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by Soi Dog » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:09 am

How did this get into immigration?
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by OrangeDragon » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:10 am

beaker wrote:protests starting in other states now :)
OD with your attitude you will not last long in Long Beach it"s mostly non white
I've lived in several non white areas... including cambodia. I have no problem with people of other races.
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by UKJ » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:54 am

OrangeDragon wrote:
UKJ wrote:
OrangeDragon wrote:As for borders... read up on human capital, and why it's economically
Some people focus too much on how immigration effects the economy, and not enough on how it effects our quality of life.
Trying to isolate one from the other is rather short sighted. I would think after the impact of the economic distress of 2008 that would be less common, but oddly it's not.

And, how does the immigration of South Americans impact American quality of life negatively?

The language issue isn't as bad as it's often blown up to be, most places have added a second language option... none have eliminated the primary language. The result has been to increase education of Americans to encourage learning of a second language. Economically, thousands of jobs as interpreters have been created; frequently employing those same immigrants who have learned English.

With a very minority exception of a few gang member types, immigrants are MORE lawful than natural citizens because of fear of deportation, so it positively impacts crime rates.

By a willingness to perform menial jobs at low wages, immigrants make for lowered production costs in various industries... this leads to low prices on those products/services, leaving natural citizens with more money in their pocket and the ability to do more with it.

Like here, people from South America hold very strongly to family values and the nuclear family type of models. This results in more of that influence "rubbing off" on other Americans, with a slight return to the good family values the country once had.

Interracial relationships, especially among younger generations, help to teach diversity and work towards eliminating the racism that drives so much of the fear of immigrants and the xenophobia surrounding the subject.
I was talking about the UK, and it sounds from others, that they have the same issues in the USA.
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We don't want to create jobs for foreign interpreters, paid for by UK tax payers. That's a bizarre positive to claim.
They do keep the wages low. I guess employers will be happy at that!
The UK doesn't have full employment, therefore they are taking jobs that Brits could do. The UK is open to 500 million EU citizens. You would have to experience the past few years here to understand. 61% of Brits say their quality of life is down.
Interracial relationships aren't allowed by some of the immigrant groups. Us Brits will marry anyone though as we are modern day thinkers. Some immigrants have attitudes from the dark ages. There are voodoo murders of kids. Female genital mutilation is a huge problem.
Read up on it, as you don't know what you are talking about.
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by UKJ » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:59 am

OrangeDragon wrote:
beaker wrote:protests starting in other states now :)
OD with your attitude you will not last long in Long Beach it"s mostly non white
I've lived in several non white areas... including cambodia. I have no problem with people of other races.
You seem obsessed with skin colour. Personally, I am colour blind. We all came from Africa originally. And you do seem biased against Europeans.

Have you never lived long term in the place you grew up, and had it go badly downhill? Maybe it's different in welfare states
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by OrangeDragon » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:30 am

UKJ wrote: I was talking about the UK, and it sounds from others, that they have the same issues in the USA.
UK
We don't want to create jobs for foreign interpreters, paid for by UK tax payers. That's a bizarre positive to claim.
They do keep the wages low. I guess employers will be happy at that!
The UK doesn't have full employment, therefore they are taking jobs that Brits could do. The UK is open to 500 million EU citizens. You would have to experience the past few years here to understand. 61% of Brits say their quality of life is down.
Interracial relationships aren't allowed by some of the immigrant groups. Us Brits will marry anyone though as we are modern day thinkers. Some immigrants have attitudes from the dark ages. There are voodoo murders of kids. Female genital mutilation is a huge problem.
Read up on it, as you don't know what you are talking about.
It was illustrating jobs created instead of taken away by immigrants. Not all of the interpreters will be immigrants, I know many non immigrant interpreters. And this is showing how little you know about economics in a consumer driven economy. Creating jobs creates spending... creating spending creates more jobs. Read up on some things yourself before forming an opinion about economic outcome. Those tax dollars you're crying about pale in comparison to the ones spent on potless UK citizens on the dole... or the subsidies and credits to large corporations. At least the latter creates income and jobs other than social workers and police.

Admittedly US immigration is a much different animal, as the immigration people were complaining about in this thread (that you then commented on using the UK as a reference apparently) is US immigration from South America.

And hasn't the UK been performing genital mutilation for quite some time already? Heard of circumcision? Or is the issue that it's a DIFFERENT form of mutilation than the one you're used to.
UKJ wrote:
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beaker wrote:protests starting in other states now :)
OD with your attitude you will not last long in Long Beach it"s mostly non white
I've lived in several non white areas... including cambodia. I have no problem with people of other races.
You seem obsessed with skin colour. Personally, I am colour blind. We all came from Africa originally. And you do seem biased against Europeans.

Have you never lived long term in the place you grew up, and had it go badly downhill? Maybe it's different in welfare states
Me? I'm not... I'm only replying to those who are. Not sure where you get that I'm the one obsessed with it except a general desire to try and belittle me.
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by Soi Dog » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:34 am

Do not attempt to compare male circumcision with female genital mutilation. The two are not even remotely comparable.

The last page or so should probably be moved to a different thread, as the Ferguson thing is still a developing story.
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by OrangeDragon » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:45 am

As the impact of male circumcision are becoming more widely known, that's a very arguable point.

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/20 ... -standard/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As for it's migration into immigration... i agree it's off topic, but I imagine it will eventually drift back on. I dislike slicing up threads like that over simple topic drift.
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by UKJ » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:46 am

OrangeDragon wrote: Me? I'm not... I'm only replying to those who are. Not sure where you get that I'm the one obsessed with it except a general desire to try and belittle me.
No you are not replying to those that are. Much of the immigration I complain about is white European immigration. The Bradford Israeli free zone MP is white. I don't get why you keep banging on about skin colour.
If people mutilate women, practice voodoo, segregation, enforce non drinking/ abuse women in short skirts, and chase gay people out on an area, then that is what I am complaining about. But the usual suspects try to spin it into skin colour, fear, xenophobia etc. It's lame.

Belittle you? You started that in the tipping thread, and recently said I align myself to a racist organization..................the BBC :facepalm:
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by UKJ » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:48 am

OrangeDragon wrote:As the impact of male circumcision are becoming more widely known, that's a very arguable point.

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/20 ... -standard/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just like I said in the other thread. You will go to any length to avoid criticizing any culture, no matter how wrong some of their practices are. It shows you are utterly biased.
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Re: Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

Post by OrangeDragon » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:48 am

UKJ wrote:
OrangeDragon wrote: Me? I'm not... I'm only replying to those who are. Not sure where you get that I'm the one obsessed with it except a general desire to try and belittle me.
No you are not replying to those that are. Much of the immigration I complain about is white European immigration. The Bradford Israeli free zone MP is white. I don't get why you keep banging on about skin colour.
If people mutilate women, practice voodoo, segregation, enforce non drinking/ abuse women in short skirts, and chase gay people out on an area, then that is what I am complaining about. But the usual suspects try to spin it into skin colour, fear, xenophobia etc. It's lame.

Belittle you? You started that in the tipping thread, and recently said I align myself to a racist organization..................the BBC :facepalm:
The entire immigration side subject here was about South American immigration to the US... I'm sorry you want to make it about you, and it's not... but it's not. The exact quote you quoted was me replying to someone saying I'd hate Long Beach because there weren't any/many whites... I pointed out that I wouldn't give a shit because I have no issue with people of other races... then you told me I was obsessed with skin color.
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