Ferguson , this is really getting out of hand

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phuketrichard wrote:
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Dr Anik wrote: Michael Brown's last words..
..according to companion eyewitness
the same eyewitness that denied he'd robbed the liquor store we have video of him robbing in his initial statement. Clearly a credible witness.
what i found rather strange is nothing has come out about Michael's past
u dont start stealing from a store than go 5 minutes later bad mouthing a cop an kicking him back into his car on your first day out.

Am sure he has history with the Police but both sides are keeping mum.
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phuketrichard wrote:
OrangeDragon wrote:
Dr Anik wrote: Michael Brown's last words..
..according to companion eyewitness
the same eyewitness that denied he'd robbed the liquor store we have video of him robbing in his initial statement. Clearly a credible witness.
what i found rather strange is nothing has come out about Michael's past
u dont start stealing from a store than go 5 minutes later bad mouthing a cop an kicking him back into his car on your first day out.

Am sure he has history with the Police but both sides are keeping mum.
because of his age it would likely be juvenile, meaning the cops CAN'T comment on it. and of course his support base wont.

though he may have never gotten caught. a TON of unreported or unsolved crimes out there... especially in an area like there where witnesses only exist if its against the cops.
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-blind hatred
-obedience to authority
-belief others are sub-human and they are superior
-others are evil
-doing for the greater good
-they need to preserve a way of life

THESE ARE THE REASONS FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE U.S.AND THE REASONS SOME ARE TOO BLIND TO SEE imho

The ends/means dilemma is a popular scenario in ethics discussions. Usually, the question goes something like this: “If you could save the world by killing someone, would you do it?” If the answer is “yes,” then a morally right outcome justifies the use of immoral means to achieve it. But there are three different things to consider in such a situation: the morality of the action, the morality of the outcome, and the morality of the person performing the action. In this situation, the action (murder) is clearly immoral and so is the murderer. But saving the world is a good and moral outcome. Or is it? What kind of world is being saved if murderers are allowed to decide when and if murder is justified and then go free? Or does the murderer face punishment for his crime in the world that he has saved? And would the world that was saved be justified in taking the life of the one who had just saved them?

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Where is the president?
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Seems pretty obvious that Brown was no saint or martyr. Still does not justify firing 6 to 8 times at an unarmed man --- including a head shot that would most certainly be fatal.

Also looks to be a huge cover up. If Brown was within 2 to 3 meters a case could possibly made for self defense, particularly if it could be demonstrated he was moving towards the officer.

Such an analysis could easily be made with forensics. Yes they might be backed up but with this case becoming high profile there is no reason a full detailed autopsy could not be done within 24 hours, rather than the cluster-fuck "preliminary autopsy" they went to press conference with.

It may or may not have been an intentional murder, but at the very least it looks like an undisciplined cop got involved with a confrontational perp, lost his cool and gunned him down in an adrenaline rush -- in a situation where deadly force was not called for.

Even if he felt justified in shooting a fleeing suspect, why the use of deadly force. Cops carry enough weaponry that a shot to the back of the knee or ankle is going to bring a boy that big down quickly -- he could have called for backup or subdued him from there.
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The president is taking everyone one of political opponents down a and purging the military. Its right in front of your face. Please for the love of god see it for what it is!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.1909092" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /14223129/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I honestly suspect the whole hesitance with the autopsy is about the rioting. If the autopsy clears the officer, what do you think announcing that before the situation is under control would do?

And police are trained to fire center mass, and center mass only. For a whole host of reasons. The headshot is likely where being hit by a previous round caused him to collapse, bringing his head down to where the shots were being fired.

http://www.pfoa.co.uk/110/shooting-to-wound" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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The real story ---- beyond the ongoing racial divide (See Zimmerman et al) i how militarized the police have become.

Excellent article on that topic here:

http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/2414" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An excerpt:

"The other major narrative relevant to the confrontation between the African American community and the Ferguson PD is the increasing militarization of community police. Radley Balko examines this is his book, The Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces. In this narrative, police become less community-oriented and more like a cohesive unit in a war zone. Citizens take on the attributes of the enemy. Camaraderie among cops is like being “battle buddies.” It’s reinforced in the minds of cops that civilians just can’t understand what they have to endure. This dynamic gets really impacted and weird when you add a post-9/11, War On Terror psychology of “first-responders” fighting a dirty war where anything goes and when you also put such amazing amounts of surplus war weaponry from the invasion and occupation of Iraq into their hands."
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The Add Jay wrote:The president is taking everyone one of political opponents down a and purging the military. Its right in front of your face. Please for the love of god see it for what it is!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.1909092" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /14223129/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -theories/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Rain Dog wrote:The real story ---- beyond the ongoing racial divide (See Zimmerman et al) i how militarized the police have become.

Excellent article on that topic here:

http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/2414" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An excerpt:

"The other major narrative relevant to the confrontation between the African American community and the Ferguson PD is the increasing militarization of community police. Radley Balko examines this is his book, The Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces. In this narrative, police become less community-oriented and more like a cohesive unit in a war zone. Citizens take on the attributes of the enemy. Camaraderie among cops is like being “battle buddies.” It’s reinforced in the minds of cops that civilians just can’t understand what they have to endure. This dynamic gets really impacted and weird when you add a post-9/11, War On Terror psychology of “first-responders” fighting a dirty war where anything goes and when you also put such amazing amounts of surplus war weaponry from the invasion and occupation of Iraq into their hands."
But that whole argument fully ignores how militarized criminals have become.

Lets remember a time when US police weren't militarized:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The patrol officers were armed with standard Beretta 92F and Beretta 92FS 9mm pistols and Smith & Wesson Model 15 .38 caliber revolvers, while officers including James Zaboravan also carried a 12-gauge Ithaca Model 37 pump-action shotgun. The officers' weaponry could not penetrate aramid body armor worn by Phillips and Mătăsăreanu, which covered most of their bodies and provided more bullet resistance than standard-issue police Kevlar vests. The robbers' heads were the only vital organs that were unprotected, but most of the LAPD officers' service pistols had insufficient range and poor accuracy at long distances. Additionally, the officers were pinned down by the heavy spray of gunfire coming from the robbers, making it difficult to attempt a headshot.
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