Extremist settlers rapidly seizing West Bank land

Tootsfriend · Post by **Tootsfriend** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:33 am

scott61 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:33 pm
Tootsfriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:21 pm
scott61 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:51 am There isn't a country called Palestine. The West Bank was part of Jordan siezed by the Israelis when they defended their own country against an arab coalition that included Jordan. If you were an Israeli you woud feel the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... _Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

If there isn't a country called Palestine, why is it mentioned so many times in all the agreements going way back to 1917, and probably before that.

I'm not going to read those Wiki articles for reasons I have pointed out in other posts. The country of Palestine was just a proposal that has been continuously rejected by the Arabs who demand to have Israel wiped off the map.

No, I'm thinking your not going to read those articals because you have already been brainwashed by the media and expanding your knowledge on the subject may change your mind and prove you have been wrong in your thinking of the subject.

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:06 am

how can they issue , unless they are a country?

As of June 2024, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 145 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.

Jerry Atrick · Post by **Jerry Atrick** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 9:42 am

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 5:28 pm

Sadly, This war will never end

Capitan obvious is on point today, i see

angsta · Post by **angsta** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:20 pm

Free Palestine!

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 6:10 pm

problem is, for every 1 that the IDF kills
5 more+ will take their place

There may be some truth in that, but how else can a war be fought?

There are two alternatives I can think of:

1. The Genghis Khan "subjugate or else" method. If your enemy agrees to the first you can get some tributes, trade and friendly relations. If they don't agree every living thing is killed, everything useful is looted and the whole place is razed. A giant pyramid of skulls is optional.

2. Cambodian "kill relatives" method. Kill your enemy and every single member of their family. Also killing any of their associates is a possibility. Pol Pot was good at this. The method is also employed in an extreme manner in the classic Cambodian novel "Tum Teav", popular with kids.

Either way should prevent too many reprisals.

Roryborealis · Post by **Roryborealis** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 6:57 pm

I wonder if there is anyone still alive over there who lived under Ottoman rule.
(and what they'd say about the current governance model)

Random Dude · Post by **Random Dude** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:51 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 6:10 pm
problem is, for every 1 that the IDF kills
5 more+ will take their place
There may be some truth in that, but how else can a war be fought?

There are two alternatives I can think of:

1. The Genghis Khan "subjugate or else" method. If your enemy agrees to the first you can get some tributes, trade and friendly relations. If they don't agree every living thing is killed, everything useful is looted and the whole place is razed. A giant pyramid of skulls is optional.

2. Cambodian "kill relatives" method. Kill your enemy and every single member of their family. Also killing any of their associates is a possibility. Pol Pot was good at this. The method is also employed in an extreme manner in the classic Cambodian novel "Tum Teav", popular with kids.

Either way should prevent too many reprisals.

It seems like they've been trying to wipe each other out for as long as I can remember, with no success. And even if one side did manage to kill every single person on the other side, they'd then need to deal with their allies in the area who would vow retribution and the shitshow would continue.

I think the only way it could end is when climate change, or something else, makes the whole area uninhabitable and everyone just drifts away or dies in their 'god-given' homeland.

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:19 pm

They don't really have any allies, they burned their bridges with all surrounding Arab states long ago.

There are some amazing plantations interspersed with the mostly arid land in Israel. Hopefully these can survive and expand.

scott61 · Post by **scott61** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:35 pm

Tootsfriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:33 am
scott61 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:33 pm
Tootsfriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:21 pm
scott61 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:51 am There isn't a country called Palestine. The West Bank was part of Jordan siezed by the Israelis when they defended their own country against an arab coalition that included Jordan. If you were an Israeli you woud feel the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... _Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

If there isn't a country called Palestine, why is it mentioned so many times in all the agreements going way back to 1917, and probably before that.

I'm not going to read those Wiki articles for reasons I have pointed out in other posts. The country of Palestine was just a proposal that has been continuously rejected by the Arabs who demand to have Israel wiped off the map.

No, I'm thinking your not going to read those articals because you have already been brainwashed by the media and expanding your knowledge on the subject may change your mind and prove you have been wrong in your thinking of the subject.

I have read the articles on Wiki referring to the Arab-Israeli confilct long ago. I know the type of people who edit those pages.

Which media could I have been brain-washed by? The overwhelming majority of the media sees the Arabs as victims and consider Israel as a European country - which just happens to be in the Middle East. That is, the Israelis should know better and the Arabs can't help themselves.

I explained why I won't take the exclusive word of Wikipedia on subjects which are prone to subjective bias. Did you read the United Nations info on my link? That made clear there is no state of Palestine.

Random Dude · Post by **Random Dude** » Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:45 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:19 pm They don't really have any allies, they burned their bridges with all surrounding Arab states long ago.

There are some amazing plantations interspersed with the mostly arid land in Israel. Hopefully these can survive and expand.

I don't follow the situation closely so really don't know much about it, but aren't there groups like Hezbollah still supporting Palestine, probably as Iran's proxies? If they (Palestine - or whatever we're calling it for now) were wiped off the face of the earth it's hard to imagine the rest of the Arab world saying fair enough, the Jews won, it's over.

As for the plantations in Israel, I thought the whole region was going through tough times because of increasing desertification, heat waves, etc. That's probably only going to get worse. Unless someone drops a few nukes and turns it all to glass, my money would be on climate issues sorting out that mess.

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