Energy Crisis: Greta Has Died and Gone to Heaven

paul2d · Post by **paul2d** » Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:42 am

Brief synopsis of the energy crisis being faced by the UK and Western Europe courtesy of CNBC:

I understand that Poland is not facing nearly the dire situation as Western Europe since it didn't get rid of its coal fired electrical plants despite the scowling Greta.

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:53 am

Lol, Greta lives rent-free in your head. Kinda sad really.

xandreu · Post by **xandreu** » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:07 am

There are already large swathes of China experiencing daily blackouts of 6 hours at a time. They are trying to limit the blackouts to residential areas at the moment rather than industrial but it's not looking good. I wonder how long it will be before Cambodia becomes affected? Might be an idea to consider buying stock in power bank manufacturers...?

I have mixed feelings about it. Of course nobody wants to be without power and the damage blackouts inevitably do to the economy can be devastating. If factories can't operate, they close down, people lose their jobs, and the price of goods skyrocket.

However, the world is in desperate need of a great overhaul where energy usage doesn't solely equate to economic power. - I just wrote a whole paragraph on the issues and have deleted it because frankly, if people don't understand what's wrong with our system by now, I despair.

Perhaps an energy crisis on a global scale such as the one that appears to be looming will be the wake-up call we all need.

What's that saying? Necessity is the mother of all invention... or something like that.

Darkcel · Post by **Darkcel** » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:30 am

xandreu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:07 am There are already large swathes of China experiencing daily blackouts of 6 hours at a time. They are trying to limit the blackouts to residential areas at the moment rather than industrial but it's not looking good. I wonder how long it will be before Cambodia becomes affected? Might be an idea to consider buying stock in power bank manufacturers...?

I have mixed feelings about it. Of course nobody wants to be without power and the damage blackouts inevitably do to the economy can be devastating. If factories can't operate, they close down, people lose their jobs, and the price of goods skyrocket.

However, the world is in desperate need of a great overhaul where energy usage doesn't solely equate to economic power. - I just wrote a whole paragraph on the issues and have deleted it because frankly, if people don't understand what's wrong with our system by now, I despair.

Perhaps an energy crisis on a global scale such as the one that appears to be looming will be the wake-up call we all need.

What's that saying? Necessity is the mother of all invention... or something like that.

An energy crisis on a global scale will destroy the world.

There is absolutely no way the world's economy could ever bounce back from that and there will be hundreds of millions of deaths if not a billion.

xandreu · Post by **xandreu** » Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:27 am

Darkcel wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:30 am
xandreu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:07 am There are already large swathes of China experiencing daily blackouts of 6 hours at a time. They are trying to limit the blackouts to residential areas at the moment rather than industrial but it's not looking good. I wonder how long it will be before Cambodia becomes affected? Might be an idea to consider buying stock in power bank manufacturers...?

I have mixed feelings about it. Of course nobody wants to be without power and the damage blackouts inevitably do to the economy can be devastating. If factories can't operate, they close down, people lose their jobs, and the price of goods skyrocket.

However, the world is in desperate need of a great overhaul where energy usage doesn't solely equate to economic power. - I just wrote a whole paragraph on the issues and have deleted it because frankly, if people don't understand what's wrong with our system by now, I despair.

Perhaps an energy crisis on a global scale such as the one that appears to be looming will be the wake-up call we all need.

What's that saying? Necessity is the mother of all invention... or something like that.
An energy crisis on a global scale will destroy the world.

There is absolutely no way the world's economy could ever bounce back from that and there will be hundreds of millions of deaths if not a billion.

I agree it wouldn't be pretty. But it's not as if the future of humanity is looking rosy as it stands.

nemo · Post by **nemo** » Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:00 pm

We are at an inflexion point similar to when we moved from coal to liquid fuels.

Britain's unwillingness to retool their monolithic corporate economy and outmoded energy infrastructure was the most important factor in loss of Empire.
Their supply lines with all the manual labor, coaling station islands and need to port for refuel could not compete with the easy handling of liquid petroleum fuels and the ability to refuel at sea.

Hydrogen is the only practical replacement fuel- and is easily transformed to ammonia- both as a carrier for fuel purpose or for otherwise irreplaceable fertilizer.
This vital link is something batteries will never furnish.

The rush to embrace it is a good indication that it is seen as viable far beyond the capabilities of battery or simple grid tied technology.
The off peak production of H2 from renewables will be pegged at petroleum equivalent prices which are very high and will likely remain so.

At 2.5 cents / kwh for dedicated renewable generation, nothing else can compete.

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:48 pm

Anchor Moy · Post by **Anchor Moy** » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:16 pm

Greta - 30 years ago ? This is super-depressing, so thought I'd share it with you.

30 years ago, a 12 year old girl gave a speech before the 1992 Earth Summit - she was angry with past generations about the destruction of the environment and calls for change on behalf of the younger generation. Her speech made a global impact and everyone was talking about it. Then, 30 years later, another kid (Greta) gets up, gets angry, and tells the adults that they are fking up the planet, and everyone talks about it again... and so on.
'Kids say the darnedest things' might be a cute way to grab the headlines and public attention, but unfortunately, this shows that once the chatter (and emotion) dies down, speeches don't change anything. It's more efficient to grab people by their wallets than by their sentiments IMO.

Fidel Castro was there, along with George Bush, John Major and 100 other heads of state, billionaires and rock stars. But the biggest star of the 1992 Earth Summit was a young girl who delivered what would be known as the speech that “silenced the world”.

Severn Cullis-Suzuki was just 12 years old, and had set up a children’s environment group in Vancouver with her nine-year-old sister Sarika and friends Vanessa Suttie, Morgan Geisler and Michelle Quigg.

Film shows the diplomats squirming in the face of her anger and rhetoric. “I’m not blind, and in my fear I’m not afraid of telling the world how I feel. In my country we make so much waste, we buy and throw away, buy and throw away, buy and throw away. I am only a child, yet I know if all the money spent on war was spent on finding environmental answers, ending poverty and in finding treaties, what a wonderful place this Earth would be.”

Severn Cullis-Suzuki – named after the British river that her mother’s family had lived close to – roasted her audience. She had been given five minutes to speak but took more. “You teach us how to behave in the world. You teach us to not fight with others, to work things out, to respect others, to clean up our mess, not to hurt other creatures, to share, not be greedy. Then, why do you go out and … do the things you tell us not to do?” she continued.

The 542-word speech, jammed together in the taxi with her friends, was hailed as “six minutes that silenced the world”, and she was called the “voice of a generation”. Al Gore called it the best speech of the summit, and today it has been watched millions of times and is cited as exemplary essay-writing.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... a-thunberg

atst · Post by **atst** » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:57 pm

Look at any election campaign in the last 30-50 years no matter where , they are going to solve the same problems , education, hospitals, jobs, housing, poverty, roads etc etc .

Jerry Atrick · Post by **Jerry Atrick** » Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:04 pm

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