Funding allegedly tops 10 mn now
matthis has resigned
7k troops exit afghanistan

Libtard is such a jarring word, regurgitated by idiots often.

There has been large increase in the number of people training for the Mexican Olympic pole vaulting team.

I have been wishing someone would do this for a long time. I don't have much but I am contributing what I can afford. Right now it is over $16 million and rising by the second. Lots love to make fun of people who want to have their countries borders defended but I, for one, don't know of any other country in the world who would allow 10's of millions of people to cross their border illegally, not call it an invasion, and not use any force it takes to repel the invaders. The United States did not cause Mexico's problems and our citizens should not have to pay to fix them. Charity is beautiful when it is given from the heart. It is outright robbery when our tax dollars go to support people who came here illegally. Rant done, for now!

Gee, another person who has probably never been here and still knows what's best. To date, a minimum of 30,000,000 illegals have crossed America's borders. Look at the real numbers before you try to condemn anyone for wanting to defend their country. Your flag says you are from Yemen, which has a stated population of 28+ Million people. How many from your country would be willing to foot the bill for 2.8 million uneducated people crossing their border illegally? Would you be among those handing out your money, your food, paying for their education, their housing, their health care? I think not. Walk a mile in our shoes before trying to preach to us.

The Illegals have been coming here since the 1950's. Much heavier since then. The figures are not counting any of the ones that were pardoned by 2 different presidents, are their offspring, or the ones that have never been counted in a census. https://cis.org/Camarota/New-Estimate-2 ... -Plausible
Many of those counted as dying were drug mules and fought the border patrol. As long as they do not fight they are taken into custody and then it is decided what to do with them.
There are many places in the USA today where once they make it across the border they are totally funded. Housing, food, healthcare, education all paid for by tax dollars. We are talking 10's of billions of dollars. i have seen the problems firsthand. They are bankrupting local healthcare and education systems. Obama's catch and release system and the sanctuary cities will eventually bankrupt the country.
We are also talking about the lowest of the low. Uneducated, criminal, gang related...
How many other countries would want any of these?

Johnsell50 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:52 pm The Illegals have been coming here since the 1950's. Much heavier since then. The figures are not counting any of the ones that were pardoned by 2 different presidents, are their offspring, or the ones that have never been counted in a census. https://cis.org/Camarota/New-Estimate-2 ... -Plausible

Why are you citing this report from the Centre for Immigration Studies entitled"New Estimate of 22 Million Illegal Immigrants Is Not Plausible" which disproves your argument?

New Estimate of 22 Million Illegal Immigrants Is Not Plausible
By Steven A. Camarota on September 22, 2018

A new article published in the academic journal PLOS One argues that the size of the illegal immigrant population in the United States has been grossly underestimated by prior research. The authors make assumptions about cumulative inflows and outflows since 1990 and arrive at a "conservative" estimate of 16.7 million illegal immigrants in 2016 and an average estimate of 22.1 million — 50 to 100 percent larger than other estimates.

The findings are unsupportable. Accepting that there are 22 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. also requires accepting that every Census Bureau survey missed huge numbers of people and that most administrative data from the federal government is woefully incomplete. There is no body of research that corroborates such a claim.

FYI The PLOS article which is dissected by the above discussion is The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0201193

Further report from the Migration Policy Institute People Leave Footprints: Millions More Unauthorized Immigrants Cannot Be ‘Hidden’ in Data Estimates further refutes the PLOS findings:

Where This Thought Experiment Goes Wrong

While we welcome fresh thinking and creative new methods to estimate a population that is by definition difficult to count, the theory articulated in the article has serious flaws, as we explain here and in greater detail in a formal response, also published today in PLOS One. The journal’s editors invited us to write this response, after we served as peer reviewers for the article.

In brief, we believe that the method:

Fails to sufficiently account for circular migration patterns prevalent in the 1990s. Because the government did not estimate the rate of successful illegal border crossings in the 1990s, the authors apply 2005-10 DHS estimates of detection rates to the 1990s. These rates estimate how many people successfully snuck across the border for each person apprehended.

However, crossing patterns were very different in the 1990s than in the mid- to late 2000s. In the 1990s, many migrants crossed multiple times in the same year, or they came for just a year or two before permanently leaving. Back then, illegal crossers faced few consequences, so little deterred them from coming, leaving, and returning again. As border enforcement increased strongly over the 2000s, resulting in higher smuggling costs and growing consequences for illegal entry (and in particular illegal re-entry), people who crossed illegally tended to remain in the United States. Therefore, in the 1990s, far more individuals were apprehended repeatedly than was the case in the 2000s. Applying 2005-10 apprehension rates to the 1990s leads the researchers to overestimate how many people crossed the border illegally in the 1990s.

Separately, they also overestimate how many of those who came actually stayed, by applying departure rates from studies of immigrants overall—not just unauthorized immigrants—to border crossers. The result of both of these flawed assumptions: the authors vastly overcount how many unauthorized immigrants came and stayed during the 1990s. They conclude the unauthorized population numbered at least 13.3 million in 2000, while DHS put the total at 8.5 million. By overestimating the number who arrived in the 1990s, the researchers’ estimates into later years thus build on a shaky foundation.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/pe ... -be-hidden

Yes, I screwed up and copied the wrong link. But I am a man and therefor not perfect. This from wikipedia:
Illegal immigrant population of the United States
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The actual size and the origin of the illegal immigrant population in the United States is uncertain and is difficult to ascertain because of difficulty in accurately counting individuals in this population. Figures from national surveys, administrative data and other sources of information vary widely.
Contents

1 Size
1.1 Estimation method
2 Impact of the global financial crisis of 2008–2009
3 Characteristics
4 Origins
5 2014 status
6 See also
7 References
8 External links

Size

The number of illegal immigrants peaked at about 12 million in 2007 and since that time has declined.[1] According to the nonpartisan Pew Research Center, the estimated population of illegal immigrants in the U.S. rose rapidly in the 1990s, "from an estimated 3.5 million in 1990 to a peak of 12.2 million in 2007," then dropped sharply during the Great Recession before stabilizing in 2009.[2] Pew estimated the total population to be 11.1 million in 2014, or approximately 3 percent of the U.S. population.[3][2][4] This "is in the same ballpark" as figures from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which estimated that 11.4 million illegal immigrants lived in the United States in January 2012.[1][5] The estimate and trends are also consistent with figures reported by the Center for Migration Studies, which reported that the U.S. illegal immigrant population fell to 10.9 million by January 2016, the lowest number since 2003.[6]

A 2018 PLOSOne study estimated that the illegal immigrant population was in the range of 16 million to 29 million.[7]
Fazel-Zarandi M, Feinstein JS, Kaplan EH (21 September 2018). "The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016". PLoS One. 13 (9): e0201193. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0201193. PMID 30240392. Retrieved 2 November 2018.

Again this is not counting any of those already pardoned and their progeny, and those who will never be counted because they are flying under the radar.
Again how many other countries or people would want this happening to them?