Covid-19 VACCINE News
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phuketrichard
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interesting numbers
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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What the hell is wrong with Vietnam? Why are they so far behind everyone? Only Philippines are nearly as bad, but they have lots of other problems, logistics being one.
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Credit where credit is due - Cambodia has done a top job when compared to their neighbours. You can question how and why they managed to secure and administer so many doses, but the fact is that they have and their neighbours largely haven't.
One question that concerns me the most about the Chinese vaccines is the length of time they remain effective, with most estimates / studies suggesting that after around 6 months, there is little to no trace of the antibodies left.
Does this mean that you are no longer protected at all? That you go back to how you were before you even had the vaccine? Or does it mean that your body lost them because there is no virus to fight but is still better primed to quickly make the antibodies should you become infected?
The fact that there doesn't seem to be much concern over this - with the government saying they are getting ready to open everything back up again now that everyone has been vaccinated and we just have to learn to live with covid - leads me to believe that just because there is no trace of antibodies, the vaccine still offers protection.
As there are people here with much better knowledge than me regarding these vaccines. I'd be interested to know what you think.
The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never allow the dumb ones to lead the pack.
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xandreu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:58 amCredit where credit is due - Cambodia has done a top job when compared to their neighbours. You can question how and why they managed to secure and administer so many doses, but the fact is that they have and their neighbours largely haven't.
One question that concerns me the most about the Chinese vaccines is the length of time they remain effective, with most estimates / studies suggesting that after around 6 months, there is little to no trace of the antibodies left.
Does this mean that you are no longer protected at all? That you go back to how you were before you even had the vaccine? Or does it mean that your body lost them because there is no virus to fight but is still better primed to quickly make the antibodies should you become infected?
The fact that there doesn't seem to be much concern over this - with the government saying they are getting ready to open everything back up again now that everyone has been vaccinated and we just have to learn to live with covid - leads me to believe that just because there is no trace of antibodies, the vaccine still offers protection.
As there are people here with much better knowledge than me regarding these vaccines. I'd be interested to know what you think.
Does this mean that you are no longer protected at all? That you go back to how you were before you even had the vaccine? Or does it mean that your body lost them because there is no virus to fight but is still better primed to quickly make the antibodies should you become infected?
That's my understanding of the vaccine, antibodies and the other T cell memory that is also lurking about. If your body is busy fighting off Covid-19 then antibodies will be high, IgM's and the IgG's. If there is no Covid-19 around these antibodies will be cleaned out from the blood in time, but the body stands ready to make them again quickly. This is why the reports of very low or zero antibodies after months doesn't bother me. I think it is unethical to deliberately expose these people to Covid-19 and find out, but that's what's going to happen in real time.
The NIPH do an antibody test, I think it is $20, but they maybe part of a full package of PCR test and certificate for travel.
ask-the-expats-questions-answers/swab-t ... hilit=NIPH
As there are people here with much better knowledge than me regarding these vaccines. I'd be interested to know what you think.
I am not claiming any serious knowledge, just my understanding of what seems to be going on with vaccines and the antibodies.
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phuketrichard
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Cambodia has less people so ....% of those vaccinated is higher, If u look, Vietnam has administered nearly the same number of doses.
Indonesia has administered nearly 5x the vaccines.
My take:
China sends the most overseas visitors to Cambodia<
China has provided the most vaccine's for the country, ( which are not accepted for travel anywhere outside Asia)
China wants Cambodia safe, so their 1 billion people have a safe place to travel to>
in 6 months will we all need gets shots again??
Indonesia has administered nearly 5x the vaccines.
My take:
China sends the most overseas visitors to Cambodia<
China has provided the most vaccine's for the country, ( which are not accepted for travel anywhere outside Asia)
China wants Cambodia safe, so their 1 billion people have a safe place to travel to>
in 6 months will we all need gets shots again??
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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armchairlawyer
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See the post I just put on the Covid News and Discussion thread.
Even the Pfeizer jab is fading fast six months after dosage in Israel.
The future is to accept it is endemic and herd immunity will never be attained.
Once most adults are double vaxed, they will mostly not get badly ill when they catch Covid and the very getting of Covid (plus 2 vaxes) will protect them better than 3 vaxes.
No need to vax children.
No need to do general testing or contact tracing.
Just do what we do with all other endemic illnesses and test at the clinical stage when the patient is sick.
Treat the sick with the best available meds (which imho may well include Ivermectin).
Take vitamin D as a preventative if not getting enough from sunshine and diet.
This is all very hopeful for Cambodia. The economy can be opened back up and government spending costs will be reduced considerably.
Even the Pfeizer jab is fading fast six months after dosage in Israel.
The future is to accept it is endemic and herd immunity will never be attained.
Once most adults are double vaxed, they will mostly not get badly ill when they catch Covid and the very getting of Covid (plus 2 vaxes) will protect them better than 3 vaxes.
No need to vax children.
No need to do general testing or contact tracing.
Just do what we do with all other endemic illnesses and test at the clinical stage when the patient is sick.
Treat the sick with the best available meds (which imho may well include Ivermectin).
Take vitamin D as a preventative if not getting enough from sunshine and diet.
This is all very hopeful for Cambodia. The economy can be opened back up and government spending costs will be reduced considerably.
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I agree with you on a few points of testing, what is a little concern while the country is concentrating more on covid19 and the pandemic with government and donation costs, what of other areas of transmittable disease, such has the countries high rate of tuberculosis, I do believe here that I read somewhere of the numbers, and this yearly, were an higher rate then the covid number of infections. is that particular illness still getting the same concerns and treatment has before. I would susspect not, but maybe its something that will be looked upon at a later date.armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:57 pm See the post I just put on the Covid News and Discussion thread.
Even the Pfeizer jab is fading fast six months after dosage in Israel.
The future is to accept it is endemic and herd immunity will never be attained.
Once most adults are double vaxed, they will mostly not get badly ill when they catch Covid and the very getting of Covid (plus 2 vaxes) will protect them better than 3 vaxes.
No need to vax children.
No need to do general testing or contact tracing.
Just do what we do with all other endemic illnesses and test at the clinical stage when the patient is sick.
Treat the sick with the best available meds (which imho may well include Ivermectin).
Take vitamin D as a preventative if not getting enough from sunshine and diet.
This is all very hopeful for Cambodia. The economy can be opened back up and government spending costs will be reduced considerably.
Always "hope" but never "expect".
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newkidontheblock
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Latest from the US.
Only proven treatment in early COVID (that the US has that others don’t have) is the monoclonal antibody infusions. These ‘clinics’ are full everyday.
Not ivermectin. Promising in mice, too many side effects in humans. Like bleach.
Meanwhile, I’ve just gotten my booster shot.
My arm is sore, seemed to hurt a lot more than last time, and stomach felt a little rumble. Coffee and grilled cheese sandwich fixed the rumbling.
Will be employer mandated everywhere soon. That’s how the pandemic ends.
Please stay safe everyone!
I do not pretend to be an internet doctor on CEO.
Only proven treatment in early COVID (that the US has that others don’t have) is the monoclonal antibody infusions. These ‘clinics’ are full everyday.
Not ivermectin. Promising in mice, too many side effects in humans. Like bleach.
Meanwhile, I’ve just gotten my booster shot.
My arm is sore, seemed to hurt a lot more than last time, and stomach felt a little rumble. Coffee and grilled cheese sandwich fixed the rumbling.
Will be employer mandated everywhere soon. That’s how the pandemic ends.
Please stay safe everyone!
I do not pretend to be an internet doctor on CEO.
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But compared to Thailand and Vietnam the covid19 death rate seems higher in Cambodia.phuketrichard wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:16 am Cambodia has less people so ....% of those vaccinated is higher, If u look, Vietnam has administered nearly the same number of doses.
Indonesia has administered nearly 5x the vaccines.
My take:
China sends the most overseas visitors to Cambodia<
China has provided the most vaccine's for the country, ( which are not accepted for travel anywhere outside Asia)
China wants Cambodia safe, so their 1 billion people have a safe place to travel to>
in 6 months will we all need gets shots again??
Always "hope" but never "expect".
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3 doses of Pfizer. You have balls.newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:15 pm Latest from the US.
Only proven treatment in early COVID (that the US has that others don’t have) is the monoclonal antibody infusions. These ‘clinics’ are full everyday.
Not ivermectin. Promising in mice, too many side effects in humans. Like bleach.
Meanwhile, I’ve just gotten my booster shot.
My arm is sore, seemed to hurt a lot more than last time, and stomach felt a little rumble. Coffee and grilled cheese sandwich fixed the rumbling.
Will be employer mandated everywhere soon. That’s how the pandemic ends.
Please stay safe everyone!
I do not pretend to be an internet doctor on CEO.
Can you send a link of the side effects in humans with ivermectin?
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