Big'n wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:45 pm

J. Visiting wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:09 pm So, Big'n, does that mean that you agree with the story that this was an american
military bio-resource that China paid for ?

Like you mention the Harvard guy that had access to the pathogen and supposedly knew
how to safely keep it stored in the lab in china that he was paid to set up.

Or did the americans "seed" this bio-weapon, knowing that the "lab" would leak like a sieve?

Fact: Canada owns the patent for the original SARS Corona virus Research.

https://www.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/eng/ ... ch#tabs1_1

Fact: 2 Chinese scientists (and an undisclosed number of their Chinese students) who were working on the project were escorted out of the lab on July 5th 2019.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.5211567

My contention all along has been that Covid19 is a lab created pathogen and not a product of natural selection. I don't think that this disaster was intentional by any means. But as a result of sloppy security measures that are known to have occurred in the past on no less than 4 separate occasions at the Level 4 Biological Research Lab in Wuhan with the original SARS Corona virus.

To wit:
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the- ... ns-1.21487

You forgot this bit at the head of the article ?


Editors’ note, January 2020: Many stories have promoted an unverified theory that the Wuhan lab discussed in this article played a role in the coronavirus outbreak that began in December 2019. Nature knows of no evidence that this is true; scientists believe the most likely source of the coronavirus to be an animal market.

J. Visiting wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:25 pm Wait!

Wasn't "Spanish Flu" from kansas or nebraska?

So it was really "American Flu"?

No. It originated in France.

Why would you make a coronavirus in the lab? What scientific or even military interest would you have in giving people a bad cough? The army used to try and weaponise stuff like anthrax and smallpox, because they're deadly. Also because there are already vaccines that you can give to your staff working on them so they don't get sick. Generally when you run a lab making pathogens you put in place systems to stop it contaminating your staff and becoming a local problem for you. Occams razor would apply here, it's seems simplest that this disease arose, much in the same way that all of our diseases arose, by exposure to unhygienic and close, prolonged animal exposure. Like the millions of pangolins that China imports now for the first time ever. Makes a change from chickens and ducks which were responsible for Asian and Hong Kong flu, and SARS, or the large storage pens for pigs and sheep at the front lines of the trenches which were the most likely origin of Spanish flu.

Marty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:06 pm

J. Visiting wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:25 pm Wait!

Wasn't "Spanish Flu" from kansas or nebraska?

So it was really "American Flu"?

No. It originated in France.

So, what we can agree on is that Spain was unfairly stigmatized for 100 years.
They were blamed.
Blame is never useful. It can be counterproductive. If we want to win against
an illness we need people working together.

cptrelentless wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:28 pm Why would you make a coronavirus in the lab? What scientific or even military interest would you have in giving people a bad cough? The army used to try and weaponise stuff like anthrax and smallpox, because they're deadly. Also because there are already vaccines that you can give to your staff working on them so they don't get sick. Generally when you run a lab making pathogens you put in place systems to stop it contaminating your staff and becoming a local problem for you. Occams razor would apply here, it's seems simplest that this disease arose, much in the same way that all of our diseases arose, by exposure to unhygienic and close, prolonged animal exposure. Like the millions of pangolins that China imports now for the first time ever. Makes a change from chickens and ducks which were responsible for Asian and Hong Kong flu, and SARS, or the large storage pens for pigs and sheep at the front lines of the trenches which were the most likely origin of Spanish flu.

Ask Canada!
https://www.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/eng/ ... ch#tabs1_1

tightenupvolume1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:46 pm

Big'n wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:45 pm

J. Visiting wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:09 pm So, Big'n, does that mean that you agree with the story that this was an american
military bio-resource that China paid for ?

Like you mention the Harvard guy that had access to the pathogen and supposedly knew
how to safely keep it stored in the lab in china that he was paid to set up.

Or did the americans "seed" this bio-weapon, knowing that the "lab" would leak like a sieve?

Fact: Canada owns the patent for the original SARS Corona virus Research.

https://www.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/eng/ ... ch#tabs1_1

Fact: 2 Chinese scientists (and an undisclosed number of their Chinese students) who were working on the project were escorted out of the lab on July 5th 2019.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.5211567

My contention all along has been that Covid19 is a lab created pathogen and not a product of natural selection. I don't think that this disaster was intentional by any means. But as a result of sloppy security measures that are known to have occurred in the past on no less than 4 separate occasions at the Level 4 Biological Research Lab in Wuhan with the original SARS Corona virus.

To wit:
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the- ... ns-1.21487

You forgot this bit at the head of the article ?


Editors’ note, January 2020: Many stories have promoted an unverified theory that the Wuhan lab discussed in this article played a role in the coronavirus outbreak that began in December 2019. Nature knows of no evidence that this is true; scientists believe the most likely source of the coronavirus to be an animal market.

READ ORIGINAL POST THOROUGHLY!

Here's your smoking gun!

The weight of science - or your old fart? ^^^ Hmmm..
who also says that SARS 1 was a manufactured weapon

"Researchers have been able to determine that the novel coronavirus pandemic is a natural event and that the SARS-CoV-2 virus isn’t a man-made bioweapon, as you might have heard from that friend or family member of yours who keeps forwarding conspiracy theories to your phone."

4 days ago
"Scientists from around the world (Scripps Research, Tulane University, University of Sydney, University of Edinburgh, and Columbia University) were able to prove that the SARS-CoV-2’s design and M.O. are the result of a natural evolution of the virus, rather than laboratory engineering.
“By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,” Scripps Research’s Scripps Research told Science Daily.

The team concluded that the binding to ACE2 was so effective that it can only have occurred via natural selection, not genetic engineering.

“Two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rule out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2,”

"The discovery should kill conspiracy theories, but that’s just a bonus..."

Unfortunately you cannot kill conspiracy theories, i just came back from the shop and the council were trying to remove a giant graffiti which was sprayed on the wall of Waitrose "HOAX" , you cannot debate with people that have that mindset.

Covid-19 could be damaging to male fertility, according to a medical study.

Coronavirus: Hubei government deletes report claiming Covid-19 could damage male fertility
Men who have contracted the disease and recovered should seek medical advice regarding ‘theoretical’ risk to their reproductive health, Wuhan hospital says
Article was widely shared on social media despite being pulled from provincial government’s website just hours after being uploaded

It is theoretically possible that Covid-19 could be damaging to men’s reproductive health, according to an article published on the Hubei government’s website on Thursday, only to be removed a few hours later.

Men who had contracted the disease and recovered from it should seek medical advice on whether it might have had a detrimental impact on their fertility, said the piece, which was produced by a team from the reproductive medicine centre at Tongji Hospital in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei.

While there was no evidence to suggest the infection could damage the male reproductive system, it was theoretically possible as the coronavirus was genetically similar to the one that caused Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome), it said.

The infection could result in “impairment of immune homeostasis in the testes”, which could cause orchitis – an inflammation of the testicles – which in turn could reduce a man’s sperm count and possibly lead to infertility, it said.

Both Covid-19 and Sars invade cells by combining with an enzyme called Ace2, which exists in large amounts in the testicles, as well as in other organs like the kidneys and heart.

Men who had contracted the disease should seek medical advice “so that problems can be detected and treated as early as possible”, it said.


https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/society ... g-covid-19

PS For the one who said that a "good bioweapon would make the enemy sterile."