well i think this has run it's course now

Sorry to say so but the moderation team has failed miserably. You allowed a Nazi to hijack a thread and spread his racist, anti-Semitic, hate speech. You did nothing. When people responded the only thing you did was to close the thread with an abysmal remark by FLB. Is this the only thing you can do? Afraid to take a stand? No answer to my complaint about the Nazi.

Please share here your policy on racism and Nazis. It would be good to know where I am posting.

The right thing to do is to clean up the nazi mess and unlock the thread.

i agree with you that the thread contains material unsuited to this forum, though i have only skimmed it.
I haven't time to edit it, so it will go into the bin for review by anyone so minded to clean it up.

Again, sorry, but that's not good enough. This is not a drunk idiot having a good time. This is a different quality and it is sad that this needs to be pointed out. The moderation team has a responsibility. This nazi dirt needs to go asap. Secondly, you must not give that Nazi a tool to shut down threads which are not in line with his agenda.


FLB: So far your statements are ambivalent. Your reluctance to describe those racist postings as what they are is disappointing.


This is an issue where the forum shows its colors.

mate, do you think we are on here 24/7 monitoring all that is said?
i have had 5 workers here since 7 AM, and trying to fill some orders at the same time.
a casual intervention is all that my particular duties allow at the moment.
maybe GM can comment with a policy statement.

I understand your current personal situation and the stress your going through. So nothing personal.

I also agree with you that the moderation/admin. team should make a policy statement that leaves no room for interpretation AND act on it. Personally, I find it hard to stomach the idea that an active Nazi, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier - i m sure the list could be extended - might be allowed to continue posting on this forum. It will be a slap into the face of many members. It is also disappointing that I have come under the impression that this needs to be pointed out. I was, perhaps incorrectly, under the impression that this should be a given. No space for nazis and racists.

Pizzalover wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:14 pm I understand your current personal situation and the stress your going through. So nothing personal.

I also agree with you that the moderation/admin. team should make a policy statement that leaves no room for interpretation AND act on it.

Personally, I find it hard to stomach the idea that an active Nazi, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier - i m sure the list could be extended -

might be allowed to continue posting on this forum.

It will be a slap into the face of many members. It is also disappointing that I have come under the impression that this needs to be pointed out. I was, perhaps incorrectly, under the impression that this should be a given. No space for nazis and racists.

WTF is all this shit about. If I dont like something that is posted on this forum,, I dont read it , which is why I dont know what you are on about.

I think that as flb said, the thread ran its course. I agree that no form racism should not be permitted..however, I'm a guest here, and if I don't like it, I should leave. It's called life.

Not sure the guy is a Nazi, as you claim, he's definitely a Holocaust denier, by his own admission.

Whether you choose to let that bug you, when an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary exists is up to you.

I personally think it should be debated, as it's pretty obvious what will happen. I personally believe it happened, the only thing I'd personally like to know is the exact figure, in the same way I'd like to know the exact figure for the Congolese genocide or the number of Palestinians killed, or Albanians, etc.

I think you're going the wrong way about this, tbh. Let people make fools of themselves by citing facts to counter their argument, just like you would in any debate.

Banning just adds fuel to the conspiracy fire, people claim there is something to hide, and in this particular case it's totally unnecessary.

As long as the people debating keep it civilised and don't resort to ad homnems, why should we not be allowed to question/debate anything?

Whether he should be banned is up to the owners, but I think both parties went way over the line.

Duncan: Nazi have to be confronted and no space given. The Nazi uses this forum to spread his ideas and hate. If we dont stop him, others will follow. You dont care. I got that but your indifference, sad as it is, cannot be a measure.

Genius: The number's game is crap. Some senior scholars think it was around 5.8 Mill. The number will continue to vary to a small degree depending on ongoing research. But that is normal in academia. The number alone does not define genocide. Check the 1948 U.N. convention, it's online.

Your point of view has major flows. First, you given the Nazi credibility alone by the statement "both parties". You make the Nazi part of an argument. You also fail to understand that the Nazi statements are ad hominem from the start. Nazism and holocaust denial are not open for debate.

You are also wrong with your statement about conspiracy. Conspiracies are secretive. What I call for is a public statement by the forum administrators/moderators on policy. Clear cut.

It is disappointing that some people shy away from taking a determined stand against Nazis. Rape, mutilations, human experiments, mass shootings, the extermination camps, the death marching, the killings of the homosexuals, the Romas, the bombing of cities, the mass murder of millions of POWs, torched earth are not up for debate as such. Apparently, many confuse academic or informed discussion with denial.

Denial is not debate. Denial was organized already at the time the crimes were committed and denial played a critical part in the organization and execution of the crime. Denial is not an argument, a point of view, it is a crime in itself.


I stand by it: especially a forum operating in Cambodia, a country where the next mass grave is not far, where the terror of Pol Pot is still on the faces of many victims, needs to take a stand.

If someone posts racist, anti-Semite rants, (or anti-whatever rants), then that is not debating. It's hate-speech, posted to provoke, and I don't think it has a place on the forum.
If it's the same post that I remember, it smells of troll and we are well rid of him/her/it.

Duncan says, you don't have to read it, which would be fair enough if it was on thread about the Holocaust, but it is a big piss off when you think you are on a thread about something else and you see a new post which is just loony hate speech. It derails the thread and causes upset, which is what trolls do. They don't create or contribute to debate - they shut threads down and discourage posters and readers. Basically it's sabotage, so I say bomb them. As posters, when you spot a troll, report it to mods so it can be dealt with quickly. I don't think that is shutting down debate.
My 2c.