Username Taken wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:28 pm @Ronny, getting close to stepping over the line there. He didn't say that!

peppermintpaddy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:32 pm

Barang chgout wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:54 pm

Ronny wrote:

peppermintpaddy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:47 pm

mauser765 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:37 pm

The Koran was originally written in Arabic, it has been translated into almost every language on earth.

I've read part of it, like most delusional religious trash, it bores me to tears, just like the Jewish Pentateuch, or the Christian OT, like Leviticus and Chronicles.

The Jewish rabbis also interpreted the Torah for the Jews, added the vast Talmud to it, and rabbis interpret that too for Jews, just as ministers and priests interpret The Bible for Christians, and Imams interpret they Koran for Muslims.'

I believe that the Torah and Talmud were both written in Hebrew, and both of those, like the Koran and Bible, have been translated into many, many languages, yet they, like the Koran are only officially recognised if in the original language..

Much of the Bible, specifically the OT was 'appended' , aka stolen from the Torah.

I'm not sure which angers you the most, that the Koran was written in the language of its writers, or that it has been translated into most extant languages...like your Torah/Talmud.

You want to know where the hate comes, from, there's a mirror in the bathroom, I trust.

I despise terrorist of any birth/religion, they are ignorant yobbos, but there are loads of ignorant people around, right?

Point being, ALL Abrahamic religion is trash and fosters violence...the least offensive is maybe Christianity, if one excludes the trashy Old Testament.

Christ on a stick, do some reading.

Christ on a stick...?.....So what youre saying is ,all Religions are the same?...... you sound like another apologist for the murdering death cult Religion of Peace.....

He seems to hate ALL religions, especially what he calls the "Abrahamic religions". Yes, all 3 are fucked up to some degree but Jews and Christians don't go around raping women, throwing gays off buildings, or beheading people just because they aren't muslims. Islam literally is stuck in the middle ages while Judaism and Christianity have evolved somewhat and that's the difference.

Yeah, Christians only let their priests fuck children....

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sounds like youre a muslime...Christianity does not tell its priests to molest children.....in fact,muslime clerics also do this..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-40531730
I see apologists like you always compare apples and oranges........this week alone,attacks in Barcelona ,Cambrelis ,Turku and Russia,and you,dozens of innocent killed,and you want to talk talk about catholic priests....youre a real dumb cunt......the worst kind.

Ronny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:01 am You are meeting resistance from some posters here because we feel you are trying to trivialize radical Islam by comparing it to what certain Christian and Jewish elements might have done 100s of years ago. And you even go so far as to accuse the American Christian element of fomenting wars for the last 50 years or so when Christianity has nothing to do with it. I would go along with you totally if you would've accused the US government apparatus of fomenting these wars but when you bring religion into it you're dead wrong and I've got to call you out.

peppermintpaddy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:32 pmsounds like youre a muslime...Christianity does not tell its priests to molest children.....in fact,muslime clerics also do this..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-40531730

Ronny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:18 am

Username Taken wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:28 pm @Ronny, getting close to stepping over the line there. He didn't say that!

Sorry about that but I take terrorist attacks personally and what is happening in Europe is being done by one certain group and this guy doesn't seem to want to call a spade a spade.

mauser765 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:14 am Q: "Who owns these 'reputable' news services? Murdoch? The UK or AUS govt?

Let me guess, CNN, FOX and BBC? LOL

Listen you have your point of view, and pretty much , it appears to me, it's like Richard's point of view (who thinks the Koran is ONLY written in Arabic)

You deny the crimes perpetrated by so-called self-professed Christian and Jewish govts, but decry the crimes of Islamic fundamentalists.

You mention the things the Koran states about jihad etc,. whilst conveniently forgetting the shit in the bible and the Torah/Talmud.

You whine I didn't mention atheists, but anyone could tell you that atheism is a choice, usually people of all religions choose that path, so atheists can be from any background...but we're not discussing atheists, you and your lynch party started a jihad against Muslims, and now you're whining because someone pointed out every religious group has nutters. Why?

Is that fair? No.

I'd like to get all these criminals and have them all imprisoned for life or shot.

You'd like to be selective, and kill only the Muslims.

I think you're irrational, and biased because of that.

You think that's rational and 100%.

Then again, you probably think that the West is completely innocent in all this, these nutters just woke up one day and decided to kill people for fun.

Read some history. Exterminating one side won't solve the problem, it will just reduce part of the symptoms.

You have consistently presented strawman arguments and refused to acknowledge any blame from western govts, and you have also refused to acknowledge the crimes perpetrated by self-professed Jewish or Christian govts which are largely responsible for the crap we see today.

In spite of this obvious cul[pability, I still condemn, in teh strongets possible terms, any act of terror, regardless of nationality/race/religion...yet you also seem to ignore that.

If you admit these blatantly obvious points, then there is a point in further discussion. Otherwise, I'm out, life is too short to argue with people who doggedly stick to their point of view despite the overwhelming evidence to support other views.

You are simply becoming that which you hate the most, a fundamentalist.

mauser765 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:24 am

Ronny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:01 am You are meeting resistance from some posters here because we feel you are trying to trivialize radical Islam by comparing it to what certain Christian and Jewish elements might have done 100s of years ago. And you even go so far as to accuse the American Christian element of fomenting wars for the last 50 years or so when Christianity has nothing to do with it. I would go along with you totally if you would've accused the US government apparatus of fomenting these wars but when you bring religion into it you're dead wrong and I've got to call you out.

1. Creation of State of Israel: 1948
2. Afghanistan: 2001-2014 (UK), US up to now
3. Iraq War 2003 and the 1st before that

Others, ONLY the US (but usually aided by NATO):

1947-1949—U.S. military advisors aid the Greek military in fighting Communist rebels in the Greek Civil War. The rebels were aided by the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, and Bulgaria. (part of Cold War)
1948-1949—The Berlin Airlift brings supplies to West Berlin, occupied by U.S., British, and French forces. The airlift is in response to a Soviet Blockade of Berlin designed to force the Allies to abandon Berlin. The Soviet effort failed. (part of Cold War)
1950-1953—The Korean War pits U.S. and allied forces against Soviet-backed Chinese and North Korean forces. The fighting ends in 1953, with an armistice, but the war officially never ended. Cross-border violence would periodically erupt along the border. (part of Cold War)
1955- U.S. military advisors are sent to the new Republic of South Vietnam to aid against the Communist insurgency. (part of Cold War). This is the beginning of America’s role in the Vietnam War.
1958—U.S. troops land in Lebanon as an intervention in the first Lebanese Civil War.
1962— Cuban Missile Crisis. S. blockades Cuba in response to Soviet nuclear missiles based in Cuba. Nearly sparks World War Three.
1962—U.S. involvement in the Laotian Civil War begins. S. aids the Laotian government against Communist Pathet Lao rebels and North Vietnamese troops. This is a part of the larger Vietnam War for the U.S. (part of Cold War)
1964—U.S. military transport planes fly Belgian troops to the Congo to intervene in the Congolese Civil War.
1964—The Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Two U.S. naval ships are attacked by North Vietnamese forces in the waters off of North Vietnam. The American ships were there as support for a South Vietnamese naval raid on North Vietnam. (part of Cold War)
1964-1975—U.S. troops officially engage in combat as part of the Vietnam War (part of Cold War).
1965—U.S. troops intervene in the Dominican Republic to put down a rebellion.
1966-1969—DMZ War. An unofficial and little-known extension of the ongoing Korean Conflict. While the U.S. was distracted by the War in Vietnam, North Korean forces engaged U.S. and South Korean forces in a low-intensity border conflict along the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), separating North and South Korea.
1968—USS Pueblo Crisis—On January 23, 1968, North Korean forces attacked and captured the U.S. Navy reconnaissance ship, the USS Pueblo. The crew was held captive by North Korea for eleven months.
1967–The USS Liberty Incident—during the Six-Day War between Israel and the Arab nations, the USS Liberty was attacked June 8, 1967 by Israeli armed forces, killing 34 and wounding more than 170 U.S. crew members.
1967– U.S. military transport planes again were dispatched to Congo to aid the government suppress a rebellion.
1973—U.S. engages in a massive airlift of weapons and ammunition to Israel during the 1973 Arab-Israeli War. The Soviet Union also engages in a massive airlift in support of Syria and Egypt. S. and Soviet naval forces face off in the Mediterranean Sea. (part of Cold War)
1975—The Mayaguez Incident. Considered the last combat action of the Vietnam conflict by American troops. S. Marines attack a Cambodian island in an attempt to rescue the crew of the American ship Mayaguez, which had been seized by Cambodian Communist forces. (part of Cold War)
1978—From May to June, American transport aircraft fly Belgian and French troops to Zaire (formerly the Congo), to defeat a rebel invasion of Zaire’s Shaba Province.
1979-1981—U.S.-Iran Hostage Crisis. The American embassy was occupied by radical Iranian forces and 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days. In 1980, the U.S. attempted a military rescue operation which failed miserably.
1979-1989—The U.S. provided extensive aid to Afghan rebels fighting the Soviet Invasion and Occupation of Afghanistan. (part of Cold War)
1980-1988—The U.S. gave intelligence aid and diplomatic support to Iraq in its war against Iran.
1981—Salvadoran Civil War. S. military advisors are sent to El Salvador to assist the government forces against Marxist rebels aided by Nicaragua and Cuba. (part of Cold War)
1981—The First Gulf of Sidra Incident occurs in April, when American warplanes clash with Libyan planes over waters near Libya.
1982—U.S. Marines are sent to Lebanon in August and September as part of a multi-national force assisting with the evacuation of Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) forces from the besieged city of Beirut. This was a part of the Israeli Invasion of Lebanon in 1982.
1982-1984–Only nine days after the Marine withdrawal, they were again sent to Lebanon in greater numbers following the massacre of Palestinian civilians in the Shabra and Shatilla refugee camps. This deployment will last until 1984 and will climax with the Bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut in October, 1983. While in Lebanon, the Marines battled the Amal Shiite militia, Syrian forces, and the new Hezbollah militia.
1983—In October, the U.S. invaded the island of Grenada to effect a rescue of American medical students there and to overthrow a pro-Soviet and pro- Cuban Marxist government.
1986—Second Gulf of Sidra Incident. American forces again clashed with the Libyan military.
1986—Operation El Dorado Canyon. In April, American warplanes and naval forces attacked targets in Libya in retaliation for a terrorist bombing against an American target in Berlin.
1987—During the ongoing Iran-Iraq War (also called the First Persian Gulf War), the USS Stark was struck on May 17 by two Exocet anti-ship missiles fired from an Iraqi F-1 Mirage during the Iran-Iraq War, killing 37 U.S. Navy sailors. The U.S. did not retaliate.
1987-1988—U.S. military intervention in the Iran-Iraq War as U.S. naval forces combatted Iranian forces in the Persian Gulf in Operation Nimble Archer, and Operation Earnest Will. During this conflict, the USS Vincennes shot down civilian Iran Air Flight 655.
1989—In January, American planes again engaged in combat with Libyan planes over the Gulf of Sidra.
1989—U.S. Intervention in a coup attempt in the Philippines. Known as Operation Classic Resolve, on December 1, U.S. Air Force fighters from Clark Air Base in Luzon assisted the Aquino government to repel a coup attempt. In addition, 100 marines were sent from U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay to protect the United States Embassy in Manila.
1989- In December, in the U.S. Invasion of Panama, American forces overthrew dictator Manuel Noriega.
1991—U.S. and other allied forces deployed to Saudi Arabia in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. This is known as Operation Desert Shield.
1991—In January, U.S. and allied forces liberated Kuwait in what became known as the Gulf War or the First Iraq War. At the time, it was best known as Operation Desert Storm.
1991-1996—Operation Provide Comfort, an attempt to protect the Kurdish population of northern Iraq from Saddam Hussein. This operation in effect resulted in an allied occupation of northern Iraq that enabled the Kurds to establish a semi-autonomous state.
1991—Allied intervention in Zaire. On September 25–27, 1991, after widespread looting and rioting broke out in Kinshasa, Zaire, Air Force C-141s transported 100 Belgian troops and equipment into Kinshasa. American planes also carried 300 French troops into the Central African Republic and transported evacuated American citizens.
1992-2003—The No-Fly Zone War against Iraq. S. and British warplanes enforced a no-fly zone over much of Iraq. These operations frequently resulted in allied attacks on Iraqi air and ground targets. In effect, this was a low-intensity continuation of the Gulf War. As the 2003 invasion of Iraq drew closer, the attacks on Iraqi targets continued in order to soften up Iraqi defenses.
1992-1995—U.S. and allied intervention in Somalia. While originating as a humanitarian exercise to help the civilian population, it quickly changed into a nation-building attempt that brought American and other allied forces into combat with Somali militias. It is believed that the first al-Qaida attacks on American targets took place at this time in Somalia as the Jihadi terrorist organization aided the Somali rebels. The infamous Blackhawk Down incident occurred during this Somali intervention.
1993-1995—U.S. and NATO intervention in the Bosnian War. Intervention began in 1993 with the start of a no-fly zone, with actual U.S. combat involvement starting in 1994 with the shooting down of six Serb aircraft. In August and September of 1995, U.S. and NATO forces engaged in extensive bombing of Serb ground targets in Bosnia. This helped lead to the Dayton Peace Accords that ended the war.
1994-1995—U.S. invasion and occupation of Haiti. While the occupation was peaceful, this is only because the Haitian government collapsed in the face of an imminent U.S. invasion.
1998—In Operation Desert Fox, U.S. and British forces engage in a major four-day bombing campaign of Iraq from December 16–19, 1998. This was in response to an Iraqi attempt to assassinate former President George Bush while on a visit to Kuwait. This is a part of the larger No-Fly Zone War.
1998–Operation Infinite Reach. On August 20, President Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack against two suspected al-Qaida terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and a suspected chemical factory in Sudan. This was in response to the bombing of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania by al-Qaida a few days earlier.
1999—Kosovo War. U.S. and NATO forces engage in an air war with Serbia in order to liberate the region of Kosovo from Serbia.
2000—In October, al-Qaida terrorists attack the naval ship USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden.
2001—Hainan Island Incident–On April 1, 2001, a mid-air collision between a U. S. Navy EP-3E ARIES II signals surveillance aircraft and a People’s Liberation Army Navy J-8II interceptor fighter jet resulted in an international dispute between the United States and the People’s Republic of China. The crisis was resolved peacefully.
2001—9/11 Terrorist attacks on the U.S. mark the start of the U.S War on Terror.
2001-Present—War in Afghanistan. In response to the al-Qaida attacks on the U.S. on September 11, 2001, American and allied forces invade Afghanistan in October, 2001. The War in Afghanistan becomes the longest official war in U.S. history. (part of the War on Terror)
2002-Present—Drone strikes on terrorist (al-Qaida and other Jihadist) targets in Yemen begin. (part of the War on Terror)
2002-U.S. Special Forces deploy to the Philippines to assist the Filipino government in their fight against Jihadist (and al-Qaida aligned) Muslim rebels. (part of the War on Terror)
2003-2011—U.S.-led Invasion and Occupation of Iraq. The Iraq War resulted in the overthrow of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. (Considered by the Bush Administration to be part of the War on Terror)
2004-Present—Drone War in Pakistan. S. drones operating out of Afghanistan launch missile attacks on suspected al-Qaida, Taliban, and other Jihadist targets. (part of the War on Terror)
2006-Present–U.S. Operations against Jihadist (al-Qaida, Islamic Courts, others) forces in Somalia in conjunction with Ethiopian, Ugandan, Somali government, and other allied forces. S. operations include air strikes, drone strikes, Special Forces raids and assistance to allied forces fighting the Jihadist militias. (part of the War on Terror)

American Troops in the 2003 Iraq Invasion

American Troops in the 2003 Iraq Invasion

2011—Libyan War. S, NATO, and other allied forces aid rebels fighting to overthrow Libyan dictator Muammar Khadafy.
2011—On May, 2, 2011, U.S. forces conduct a raid into Pakistan and kill Osama bin Laden. (part of the War on Terror)
2011—U. S. Special Forces are deployed to Uganda and Central Africa to aid in the hunt for infamous war criminal Joseph Kony and his band of LRA guerrillas.
2012—Benghazi Attack. On September 11, 2012, suspected Jihadist militants attacked the U.S. embassy in Benghazi, Libya, killing four Americans, including the Ambassador. (part of the War on Terror)
2013—War in Mali—U.S. transport planes ferry French troops as they engage Jihadist forces in northern Mali. (part of the War on Terror)
2013– US Air Force planes supported the French in the Bulo Marer hostage rescue attempt in Somalia. (part of the War on Terror)
2014-U.S. Special Forces raid into Islamic State-controlled area of Syria to attempt a rescue of a captive American named James Foley on July 3, 2014. (part of the War on Terror)
2014- U.S. Special Forces raid into Yemen in a failed attempt to rescue hostages held by al-Qaida. The December, 2014 raid resulted in the deaths of several militants as well as two hostages.
2014-Ongoing–War Against the Islamic State–The United States lead a coalition of allies into a new military intervention in Iraq (sound familiar?) . This time it is to support the Iraqi government and the Kurds against the threat of the new Islamic State (also called ISIS or ISIL). (part of the War on Terror)

Enough? This is only for the US, which consistently and unapoligetically touts itself as a Christian nation.

One more thing: I despise violence, so please don't insinuate I'd use it or ever approve the use of it with sly innuendo except in self-defence. If you cant argue a decent defence, don't indulge in ad hominems.

Bye.

mauser765 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:14 am Q: "Who owns these 'reputable' news services? Murdoch? The UK or AUS govt?

Let me guess, CNN, FOX and BBC? LOL

Listen you have your point of view, and pretty much , it appears to me, it's like Richard's point of view (who thinks the Koran is ONLY written in Arabic)

You deny the crimes perpetrated by so-called self-professed Christian and Jewish govts, but decry the crimes of Islamic fundamentalists.

You mention the things the Koran states about jihad etc,. whilst conveniently forgetting the shit in the bible and the Torah/Talmud.

You whine I didn't mention atheists, but anyone could tell you that atheism is a choice, usually people of all religions choose that path, so atheists can be from any background...but we're not discussing atheists, you and your lynch party started a jihad against Muslims, and now you're whining because someone pointed out every religious group has nutters. Why?

Is that fair? No.

I'd like to get all these criminals and have them all imprisoned for life or shot.

You'd like to be selective, and kill only the Muslims.

I think you're irrational, and biased because of that.

You think that's rational and 100%.

Then again, you probably think that the West is completely innocent in all this, these nutters just woke up one day and decided to kill people for fun.

Read some history. Exterminating one side won't solve the problem, it will just reduce part of the symptoms.

You have consistently presented strawman arguments and refused to acknowledge any blame from western govts, and you have also refused to acknowledge the crimes perpetrated by self-professed Jewish or Christian govts which are largely responsible for the crap we see today.

In spite of this obvious cul[pability, I still condemn, in teh strongets possible terms, any act of terror, regardless of nationality/race/religion...yet you also seem to ignore that.

If you admit these blatantly obvious points, then there is a point in further discussion. Otherwise, I'm out, life is too short to argue with people who doggedly stick to their point of view despite the overwhelming evidence to support other views.

You are simply becoming that which you hate the most, a fundamentalist.