Barang chgout wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:54 pm

Ronny wrote:

peppermintpaddy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:47 pm

mauser765 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:37 pm

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:44 amHave already learned that the Koran is ONLY written in Arabic and 90% of those that learn it, only learn it by rote and have no idea what it says,
this is left to the Mullahs to interpret it for them... Much of it was stolen from the bible.

The Koran was originally written in Arabic, it has been translated into almost every language on earth.

I've read part of it, like most delusional religious trash, it bores me to tears, just like the Jewish Pentateuch, or the Christian OT, like Leviticus and Chronicles.

The Jewish rabbis also interpreted the Torah for the Jews, added the vast Talmud to it, and rabbis interpret that too for Jews, just as ministers and priests interpret The Bible for Christians, and Imams interpret they Koran for Muslims.'

I believe that the Torah and Talmud were both written in Hebrew, and both of those, like the Koran and Bible, have been translated into many, many languages, yet they, like the Koran are only officially recognised if in the original language..

Much of the Bible, specifically the OT was 'appended' , aka stolen from the Torah.

I'm not sure which angers you the most, that the Koran was written in the language of its writers, or that it has been translated into most extant languages...like your Torah/Talmud.

You want to know where the hate comes, from, there's a mirror in the bathroom, I trust.

I despise terrorist of any birth/religion, they are ignorant yobbos, but there are loads of ignorant people around, right?

Point being, ALL Abrahamic religion is trash and fosters violence...the least offensive is maybe Christianity, if one excludes the trashy Old Testament.

Christ on a stick, do some reading.

Christ on a stick...?.....So what youre saying is ,all Religions are the same?...... you sound like another apologist for the murdering death cult Religion of Peace.....

He seems to hate ALL religions, especially what he calls the "Abrahamic religions". Yes, all 3 are fucked up to some degree but Jews and Christians don't go around raping women, throwing gays off buildings, or beheading people just because they aren't muslims. Islam literally is stuck in the middle ages while Judaism and Christianity have evolved somewhat and that's the difference.

Yeah, Christians only let their priests fuck children....

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sounds like youre a muslime...Christianity does not tell its priests to molest children.....in fact,muslime clerics also do this..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-40531730
I see apologists like you always compare apples and oranges........this week alone,attacks in Barcelona ,Cambrelis ,Turku and Russia,and you,dozens of innocent killed,and you want to talk talk about catholic priests....youre a real dumb cunt......the worst kind.

this is just bad luck.... (I'm staying out of the 'kobayashi maru' religious debate)

Barcelona attack: Woman caught up in third terror event after surviving London Bridge and Paris rampages


A woman says she has survived the Barcelona van attack months after also being caught up in the terrorist rampages in London Bridge and Paris.

Julia Monaco, 26, was shopping with friends when a van ploughed through nearby crowds killing 13 people and injuring more than 100.
It was her third brush with terror while travelling through Europe this year.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bar ... ailsignout

(believable?)

Just sayin'

Bertros

Bertros wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:33 pm this is just bad luck.... (I'm staying out of the 'kobayashi maru' religious debate)

Barcelona attack: Woman caught up in third terror event after surviving London Bridge and Paris rampages


A woman says she has survived the Barcelona van attack months after also being caught up in the terrorist rampages in London Bridge and Paris.

Julia Monaco, 26, was shopping with friends when a van ploughed through nearby crowds killing 13 people and injuring more than 100.
It was her third brush with terror while travelling through Europe this year.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bar ... ailsignout

(believable?)

Just sayin'

Bertros

Unsubscribing from Julia Monaco's Travel Blog. To hell with her travel advice. Go to Europe she said. SE Asia's way too sketchy she said.

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peppermintpaddy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:55 pm

For Starters...

1) America being a predominately Christian nation has nothing to do with the fact that the wealthy elites have been pushing us into unnecessary wars for that last 50 years. In fact, most of those elites are either Jewish, atheists, Luciferians, or superficial Christians so again, it's not about religion.
2) Yes, Judaism and Christianity have evolved SOMEWHAT when compared to Islam and the key word here is of course 'somewhat'.
3) Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing. Many Jews are against what is occurring in the west bank so don't paint with such a large brush.
4) You can't just ignore the danger of Islam by pointing a finger at Zionists and extreme Christian transgressions in the past because that isn't going to make it go away and you know it.


So yeah, your little..."Well Islam ain't so bad because the Jews and Christians did bad things too" rant isn't doing us any favors and it's so unoriginal. Of course you feel justified in your beliefs and I can say you are entirely wrong from an ideological point of view but guess what, Islam is NOT a religion of piece and never has been.
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well said,arguing with apologist for Islime makes me feel physically sick.....I wonder how long before he mentions the Crusades....?
I like Churchill's quotation "Islime in a man is as dangerous as rabies in a dog"....
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I know. This guy obviously isn't following current events. The muslim pigs in Europe (and soon to be in America) are systematically killing white Europeans. And what's this moron apologist got to say about the "Rape Gangs" going around raping white girls as young as 10 by "grooming" them and getting them hooked on drugs and alcohol? I'll be waiting to hear from him but I doubt I'll get an answer.

peppermintpaddy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:58 pm

mauser765 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:56 am

peppermintpaddy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:47 pmChrist on a stick...?.....So what youre saying is ,all Religions are the same?...... you sound like another apologist for the murdering death cult Religion of Peace.....

Can you show me one sentence where I suggested that I accept violence in the name of religion...ANY religion?

iirc, I explicitly stated that I didn't.

Read much?

Yes I read a helluva lot,of course you dont accept violence,instead,you excuse it......even worse imo.....I hope I never run into you.

Yup, sometimes I think these extremist far-left "liberals" are the most dangerous of all.

mauser765 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:16 pm

Ronny wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:24 pm
1) America being a predominately Christian nation has nothing to do with the fact that the wealthy elites have been pushing us into unnecessary wars for that last 50 years. In fact, most of those elites are either Jewish, atheists, Luciferians, or superficial Christians so again, it's not about religion.
2) Yes, Judaism and Christianity have evolved SOMEWHAT when compared to Islam and the key word here is of course 'somewhat'.
3) Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing. Many Jews are against what is occurring in the west bank so don't paint with such a large brush.
4) You can't just ignore the danger of Islam by pointing a finger at Zionists and extreme Christian transgressions in the past because that isn't going to make it go away and you know it.


So yeah, your little..."Well Islam ain't so bad because the Jews and Christians did bad things too" rant isn't doing us any favors and it's so unoriginal. Of course you feel justified in your beliefs and I can say you are entirely wrong from an ideological point of view but guess what, Islam is NOT a religion of piece and never has been.

1. Uh, that's what I said.
2. Uh...I think we established they murdered more people together than all other faiths combined? Nice progression! By the same standards, you'd love ISIS! So progressive!
3. I know that. I'm glad you separate the IDF scum and the present govt from the enlightened...-d o you also recognise the same distinction between fundamentalist Muslims and normal Muslims? I don't see it in your
posts. Perhaps such distinction reserved only for Jews and Christians?
4. Show me ONE instance where I ignored the dangers of (fundamentalist) Islam. PLEASE. Show me.

It was never a rant. I think Richard went on a rant, accusing other religions of things all monotheistic religions practise. But..well, Richard is Richard. Do some reading, get your rabies shot, and feel free to kill fundamentalist Jews, Christians and Muslims. I'll buy the first round.

PS I'm going to need evidence of that reading. I haven't seen any so far.

You may be on the wrong forum?

1. Um, no you didn't. You targeted Christianity and you didn't mention the large number of atheists and other non-Christians who have been pushing for war and have their hands in "Industrial Complex" cookie jar too.
2. "They" meaning who? And when you tell me, also give me some credible stats and sources for those stats so it doesn't make you look like you're pulling things out of your...um...gluteus maximus (today's Sunday so I'll try to be nice).
3. You sound reasonable on the surface but when surveys are done by reputable news sources that say between 50% to 60% of "moderate" muslims support or sympathize with the terrorists who have attacked innocent people in Europe and have died or been imprisoned as a result, then your apologist rhetoric begins to sound ridiculous.

mauser765 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:16 pm

Ronny wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:24 pm
1) America being a predominately Christian nation has nothing to do with the fact that the wealthy elites have been pushing us into unnecessary wars for that last 50 years. In fact, most of those elites are either Jewish, atheists, Luciferians, or superficial Christians so again, it's not about religion.
2) Yes, Judaism and Christianity have evolved SOMEWHAT when compared to Islam and the key word here is of course 'somewhat'.
3) Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing. Many Jews are against what is occurring in the west bank so don't paint with such a large brush.
4) You can't just ignore the danger of Islam by pointing a finger at Zionists and extreme Christian transgressions in the past because that isn't going to make it go away and you know it.


So yeah, your little..."Well Islam ain't so bad because the Jews and Christians did bad things too" rant isn't doing us any favors and it's so unoriginal. Of course you feel justified in your beliefs and I can say you are entirely wrong from an ideological point of view but guess what, Islam is NOT a religion of piece and never has been.

1. Uh, that's what I said.
2. Uh...I think we established they murdered more people together than all other faiths combined? Nice progression! By the same standards, you'd love ISIS! So progressive!
3. I know that. I'm glad you separate the IDF scum and the present govt from the enlightened...-d o you also recognise the same distinction between fundamentalist Muslims and normal Muslims? I don't see it in your
posts. Perhaps such distinction reserved only for Jews and Christians?
4. Show me ONE instance where I ignored the dangers of (fundamentalist) Islam. PLEASE. Show me.

It was never a rant. I think Richard went on a rant, accusing other religions of things all monotheistic religions practise. But..well, Richard is Richard. Do some reading, get your rabies shot, and feel free to kill fundamentalist Jews, Christians and Muslims. I'll buy the first round.

PS I'm going to need evidence of that reading. I haven't seen any so far.

You may be on the wrong forum?

And moving on...


4. You are meeting resistance from some posters here because we feel you are trying to trivialize radical Islam by comparing it to what certain Christian and Jewish elements might have done 100s of years ago. And you even go so far as to accuse the American Christian element of fomenting wars for the last 50 years or so when Christianity has nothing to do with it. I would go along with you totally if you would've accused the US government apparatus of fomenting these wars but when you bring religion into it you're dead wrong and I've got to call you out.

Well I've never met Richard so until I do, I'll let Richard be Richard, if you know what I mean. And you have your preferences while I have mine. You don't like religion while I don't like atheists and "Social Engineering" types who try to run and control other peoples' lives. To each his own but I ain't killing anybody, but as for you, I kinda wonder...

Q: "Who owns these 'reputable' news services? Murdoch? The UK or AUS govt?

Let me guess, CNN, FOX and BBC? LOL

Listen you have your point of view, and pretty much , it appears to me, it's like Richard's point of view (who thinks the Koran is ONLY written in Arabic)

You deny the crimes perpetrated by so-called self-professed Christian and Jewish govts, but decry the crimes of Islamic fundamentalists.

You mention the things the Koran states about jihad etc,. whilst conveniently forgetting the shit in the bible and the Torah/Talmud.

You whine I didn't mention atheists, but anyone could tell you that atheism is a choice, usually people of all religions choose that path, so atheists can be from any background...but we're not discussing atheists, you and your lynch party started a jihad against Muslims, and now you're whining because someone pointed out every religious group has nutters. Why?

Is that fair? No.

I'd like to get all these criminals and have them all imprisoned for life or shot.

You'd like to be selective, and kill only the Muslims.

I think you're irrational, and biased because of that.

You think that's rational and 100%.

Then again, you probably think that the West is completely innocent in all this, these nutters just woke up one day and decided to kill people for fun.

Read some history. Exterminating one side won't solve the problem, it will just reduce part of the symptoms.

You have consistently presented strawman arguments and refused to acknowledge any blame from western govts, and you have also refused to acknowledge the crimes perpetrated by self-professed Jewish or Christian govts which are largely responsible for the crap we see today.

In spite of this obvious cul[pability, I still condemn, in teh strongets possible terms, any act of terror, regardless of nationality/race/religion...yet you also seem to ignore that.

If you admit these blatantly obvious points, then there is a point in further discussion. Otherwise, I'm out, life is too short to argue with people who doggedly stick to their point of view despite the overwhelming evidence to support other views.

You are simply becoming that which you hate the most, a fundamentalist.

Barang chgout wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:54 pm

Ronny wrote:

peppermintpaddy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:47 pm

mauser765 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:37 pm

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:44 amHave already learned that the Koran is ONLY written in Arabic and 90% of those that learn it, only learn it by rote and have no idea what it says,
this is left to the Mullahs to interpret it for them... Much of it was stolen from the bible.

The Koran was originally written in Arabic, it has been translated into almost every language on earth.

I've read part of it, like most delusional religious trash, it bores me to tears, just like the Jewish Pentateuch, or the Christian OT, like Leviticus and Chronicles.

The Jewish rabbis also interpreted the Torah for the Jews, added the vast Talmud to it, and rabbis interpret that too for Jews, just as ministers and priests interpret The Bible for Christians, and Imams interpret they Koran for Muslims.'

I believe that the Torah and Talmud were both written in Hebrew, and both of those, like the Koran and Bible, have been translated into many, many languages, yet they, like the Koran are only officially recognised if in the original language..

Much of the Bible, specifically the OT was 'appended' , aka stolen from the Torah.

I'm not sure which angers you the most, that the Koran was written in the language of its writers, or that it has been translated into most extant languages...like your Torah/Talmud.

You want to know where the hate comes, from, there's a mirror in the bathroom, I trust.

I despise terrorist of any birth/religion, they are ignorant yobbos, but there are loads of ignorant people around, right?

Point being, ALL Abrahamic religion is trash and fosters violence...the least offensive is maybe Christianity, if one excludes the trashy Old Testament.

Christ on a stick, do some reading.

Christ on a stick...?.....So what youre saying is ,all Religions are the same?...... you sound like another apologist for the murdering death cult Religion of Peace.....

He seems to hate ALL religions, especially what he calls the "Abrahamic religions". Yes, all 3 are fucked up to some degree but Jews and Christians don't go around raping women, throwing gays off buildings, or beheading people just because they aren't muslims. Islam literally is stuck in the middle ages while Judaism and Christianity have evolved somewhat and that's the difference.

Yeah, Christians only let their priests fuck children....

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Um, those priests are CATHOLIC priests, buddy. In case you didn't know it, millions and millions of Christians died trying to get out of the Catholic yoke and entire nations were divided. And there were even Christians who crossed entire oceans to get away from the murderous Catholic establishment. Many of them went to this little strip of wild land over a big ocean and literally had to start from scratch. Today most people call this land the United States of America. Ever heard of it?