Australia's biggest ever anti terror raid
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No. It's obvious to everyone , except those wanting a baseless moan, that conspiracy is a crime in most decent countries. If you don't like it, go live in a lawless country ruled by tribal militias.Digg3r wrote:Conspiracy to kidnap is a law?
Show me the legislation?
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/UKJ wrote:No. It's obvious to everyone , except those wanting a baseless moan, that conspiracy is a crime in most decent countries. If you don't like it, go live in a lawless country ruled by tribal militias.Digg3r wrote:Conspiracy to kidnap is a law?
Show me the legislation?
Hmm that's what we have now? I'd hate to be arrested and imprisoned because of what the government thinks I might do.
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I prefer reality to Hollywood!Digg3r wrote:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/UKJ wrote:No. It's obvious to everyone , except those wanting a baseless moan, that conspiracy is a crime in most decent countries. If you don't like it, go live in a lawless country ruled by tribal militias.Digg3r wrote:Conspiracy to kidnap is a law?
Show me the legislation?
Hmm that's what we have now? I'd hate to be arrested and imprisoned because of what the government thinks I might do.
As someone else pointed out, they probably had wiretaps. Let me explain - One of the decent muslims, probably grassed them up. The authorities then wire tapped them, and they got caught. There is no need for an outburst of tin hat paranoia, imho. But you are welcome to your minority, Hollywood influenced view.
Let's move on
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Re: Australia's biggest ever anti terror raid
Your being a bit defence attorney-ish here. Dude, they foiled a beheading.... Why are you against that? Do you support beheading in the name of Allah?Digg3r wrote:So, what crime had been committed? And what grounds were there for a warrant to tap phones etc...
I'd rather be beheaded than live in a police state.
I'll give ya 500 Riel for it...
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Media spin.Sir_Quality_U_Feel wrote:Your being a bit defence attorney-ish here. Dude, they foiled a beheading.... Why are you against that? Do you support beheading in the name of Allah?Digg3r wrote:So, what crime had been committed? And what grounds were there for a warrant to tap phones etc...
I'd rather be beheaded than live in a police state.
They foiled nothing. All they have done is "frightened" the public do they can bring in more draconian laws under the banner of fighting terrorism.
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Re: Australia's biggest ever anti terror raid
Are you this dumb? Of course it is a law. Most developed countries have conspiracy laws for many heinous crimesDigg3r wrote:Conspiracy to kidnap is a law?
Show me the legislation?
I'll give ya 500 Riel for it...
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Show me the law?
Re: Australia's biggest ever anti terror raid
There is no law in NSW for conspiracy to kidnap.NSW Legislation wrote: Division 14 Kidnapping
86 Kidnapping
(1) Basic offence
A person who takes or detains a person, without the person’s consent:
(a) with the intention of holding the person to ransom, or
(a1) with the intention of committing a serious indictable offence, or
(b) with the intention of obtaining any other advantage,
is liable to imprisonment for 14 years.
(2) Aggravated offence
A person is guilty of an offence under this subsection if:
(a) the person commits an offence under subsection (1) in the company of another person or persons, or
(b) the person commits an offence under subsection (1) and at the time of, or immediately before or after, the commission of the offence, actual bodily harm is occasioned to the alleged victim.
A person convicted of an offence under this subsection is liable to imprisonment for 20 years.
(3) Specially aggravated offence
A person is guilty of an offence under this subsection if the person commits an offence under subsection (1):
(a) in the company of another person or persons, and
(b) at the time of, or immediately before or after, the commission of the offence, actual bodily harm is occasioned to the alleged victim.
A person convicted of an offence under this subsection is liable to imprisonment for 25 years.
(4) Alternative verdicts
If on the trial of a person for an offence under subsection (2) or (3) the jury is not satisfied that the accused is guilty of the offence charged, but is satisfied on the evidence that the accused is guilty of a lesser offence under this section, it may find the accused not guilty of the offence charged but guilty of the lesser offence, and the accused is liable to punishment accordingly.
(5) A person who takes or detains a child is to be treated as acting without the consent of the child.
(6) A person who takes or detains a child does not commit an offence under this section if:
(a) the person is the parent of the child or is acting with the consent of a parent of the child, and
(b) the person is not acting in contravention of any order of a court relating to the child.
(7) In this section:
child means a child under the age of 16 years.
detaining a person includes causing the person to remain where he or she is.
parent of a child means a person who has, in relation to the child, all the duties, powers, responsibilities and authority that, by law, parents have in relation to their children.
taking a person includes causing the person to accompany a person and causing the person to be taken.
87 Child abduction
(1) A person who takes or detains a child with the intention of removing or keeping the child from the lawful control of any person having parental responsibility for the child, without the consent of that person, is liable to imprisonment for 10 years.
(2) A person who takes or detains a child with the intention of stealing from the child is liable to imprisonment for 10 years.
(3) In this section:
child means a child under the age of 12 years.
detaining a child includes causing the child to remain where he or she is.
taking a child includes causing the child to accompany a person and causing the child to be taken.
(4) In this section, a reference to a person who has parental responsibility for a child is a reference to:
(a) a person who has, in relation to a child, all the duties, powers, responsibilities and authority that, by law, parents have in relation to their children, or
(b) a person authorised to be the carer of the child under an Act relating to the care and protection of children.
Re: Australia's biggest ever anti terror raid
That old falsehoodDigg3r wrote: All they have done is "frightened" the public do they can bring in more draconian laws under the banner of fighting terrorism.
Why do lawmakers, need excuses to bring in laws? The public wants heavier laws against terrorists, than the government ever passes. The public opinion I hear, is to whack the fuckers without trial, and kick their families out, confiscating their assets.
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No I'm not dumb. I have shown the kidnapping laws in NSW where these raids took place. You please show me the (non-existent) conspiracy to kidnap laws.Sir_Quality_U_Feel wrote:Are you this dumb? Of course it is a law. Most developed countries have conspiracy laws for many heinous crimesDigg3r wrote:Conspiracy to kidnap is a law?
Show me the legislation?
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