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America is batchit crazy thread

Post by ali baba » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:26 am

I read so much ridiculous shit coming out of America I could fill a whole thread. It's hilarious and distressing to realise that the global hegemon is a backwards theocracy. The Supreme Court manages to fuck up almost every decision possible from mistaking corporations for people to mistaking people for property.

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General discussion of silly shit you read about team USA.
Alternet wrote:Police Obtain Warrant to Take Pictures of Teenage Boy's Erect Penis
Virginia prosecutors say the 17-year-old 'sexted' his 15-year-old girlfriend, and for that he must be punished.

The teenager faces charges stemming from an alleged instance of receiving sexting pictures from his then 15-year-old girlfriend. Prosecutors say that they have video of the boy's erect penis that was sent to the girl's cell phone. If convicted, the boy could see prison time and be forced to register as a sex offender, according to the Washington Post.

An attorney representing the 17-year-old, Jessica Harbeson Foster, claims she was told that the police would just take him "down to the hospital, give him a shot and then take the pictures that we need.”

“The prosecutor’s job is to seek justice,” Foster told the Post. “What is just about this? How does this advance the interest of the Commonwealth? This is a 17-year-old who goes to school every day, plays football, has never been in trouble with the law before. Now he’s saddled with two felonies and the implication that he’s a sexual predator. I don’t mind trying the case. My goal is to stop the search warrant. I don’t want him to go through that. Taking him down to the hospital so he can get an erection in front of all those cops, that’s traumatizing.”
Apparently the appropriate way to react to adolescent show-me-yours-I'll-show-you-mine is to sexually assault the boy.
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Decades ago, refusing to undergo cesarean surgery was not a crime. That’s another matter now in the wake of recent "fetal protection" enactments that make it a crime for a pregnant woman to engage in any conduct that might threaten harm to a fetus. Some doctors believe this applies to how a woman gives birth.

Melissa Rowland refused to undergo the cesarean surgery recommended by her doctor. She was later charged with murder after one of her fetuses was stillborn. Rowland accepted a plea deal, which made her criminally liable for child endangerment.

Three years ago Rinat Dray vehemently protested against the administration of a cesarean section in the birth of her third child. Throughout her pregnancy, she had prepared for a vaginal delivery after prior cesarean, or VBAC. However, on that July evening, according to a lawsuit filed by Dray, hospital staff overrode her refusal to submit to a cesarean. Hospital documents record Dray’s refusal, and also her physician’s decision to ignore that order. In a handwritten statement attached to her file, her doctor informed hospital staff that “I have decided to override her refusal to have a C-section.” Soon thereafter, doctors removed Dray’s third child by c-section.

The increase in c-section births overlaps with the rise in fetal protection efforts and the dramatic increase in legislation to chip away at reproductive liberty. Between 2011-213, more than 300 laws have been enacted to undermine women’s abortion rights. More anti-abortion legislation was enacted in the last two years than collectively in the 10 years prior. At the same time, states have enacted laws criminalizing pregnant women’s conduct that might pose a risk of harm to their fetuses. Keeping with this trend, the state of Tennessee recently enacted a law making it a crime to be a pregnant drug addict. These legislative movements create the conditions under which doctors claim not only medical, but also legal and moral authority over their pregnant patients to protect fetal interests.

Consider the case of Lisa Epsteen. In 2013, when Epsteen indicated that she wanted to wait two additional days for a vaginal delivery rather than undergo the cesarean section recommended by Dr. Jerry Yankowitz, chairman of the University of South Florida’s department of obstetrics and gynecology, he sent the mother of five an email, warning: “I would hate to move to the most extreme option, which is having law enforcement pick you up at your home and bring you in, but you are leaving the providers of USF/TGH no choice.” Fearful that police would soon surround her home, Epsteen contacted her lawyers.

Epsteen’s experience is hardly isolated. At another Florida hospital, Tallahassee Memorial, doctors held Samantha Burton against her will and sought a court order to forcibly remove her fetus. A local judge granted the order, imposing indefinite confinement, resulting in the pregnant mother of two being held against her will in a solitary hospital room for three days until her fetus was surgically removed.

In Burton’s case, law and medicine intersected in pernicious ways, extending even beyond the physician’s decision to seek an order to confine Burton against her will. Burton was not provided any legal representation at the civil commitment hearing, despite the significant liberty interests at stake. No counsel appeared to address these concerns (and others) until after the forced cesarean section occurred.

In a dramatic case involving a pregnant cancer patient, Angela Carder, doctors denied her request for chemotherapy in order to preserve the health of her fetus. Doctors overrode Carder’s objections and forcibly removed her fetus through cesarean surgery. The baby died in two hours. Carder died two days later.

In other cases, pregnant women have escaped US hospitals and fled to other states to give birth or delivered at home in order to avoid forced removal of their fetuses.
It's interesting that 'conservatives' (read: reactionaries) feel that unborn life is sacred but as soon as the kid takes a breath it is no longer worthy of consideration. No socialised healthcare for you child but we will imprison you for minor indiscretions. We're hard on 'crime' here.
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Post by General Mackevili » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:24 am

Yikes! Some crazy shit, all of it^
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Post by vladimir » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:12 am

George Orwell woulda loved it!
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Post by nightmare.believer » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:36 am

Right.
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Post by OrangeDragon » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:09 am

Corporate Personhood has existed since the 1800s... and is far from only an American Phenomenon. In fact the US adopted the concepts much later than the UK, Australia, etc. In UK law look up 'juristic person' or 'legal person' and you'll note that it doesn't specify a restriction on it being a natural person.

The political (and judicial) issues at hand currently aren't corporate personhood, but a matter of which rights accorded to natural persons should be extend to them as well. The decisions stem from the concepts the by denying the rights to the incorporated body you are also restricting the rights of the members of that body... because corporations aren't run by robots... they're run by people. Especially in the case of closely held corporations.

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An absurdly extreme example of this, but a good illustration, would be a law that all corporations must ensure that their CEO eats pork once a week. This would make any person of Islamic or Orthodox Jewish beliefs be forced to choose between their religious beliefs and entering into industry, and would be in violation of the concepts of freedom of religion.]
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Post by Milord » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:14 am

Too numerous to mention. :lol:
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Post by Sailorman » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:23 am

When you have a police state run by the attorneys/judges/bar Associations you can't expect justice. The thug/militarized police break into houses and kill old people (recently one guy over a hundred and another in his 80s.), because they suspect, the key word here is SUSPECT that drugs are there.

America the land of the not so free has more people in jails/prisons per capita than any other country on earth. Jails/prisons in America are a corporate growth industry and are power and control for the "shadow government" the bar associations. I hadn't had as much as a parking ticket in 43 years when the police tried to kill me (there was a witness so they couldn't shoot me and put a gun in my hand) and threw me in jail for a bogus restraining order that was never properly issued to me and was made out to another person. Because I sued the police in federal court (they brought in a retired judge that was dying to dismiss the case and he died two weeks later) the police once again tried to kill me. (lots of witness's this time so they failed.)

The only way that I will go back to AmeriKa is when the "America Spring" starts. I only hope I live long enough to see it and/or am not to old to participate. Its not a matter of IF, its WHEN.
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Post by wackyjacky » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:02 pm

America has been a 'corporatocracy' for at least 20 years now Democracy is long long gone. The banking-finance boys are the kings these days. BTW, are you just being polite with the "batchit" instead of bat shit ? What's the etiquette on this forum anyway ? Maybe I should clean up my act. Are f*ck, c*nt, & sh*t OK, or should I get more obtuse ?
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Post by ali baba » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:34 pm

OrangeDragon wrote:Corporate Personhood has existed since the 1800s... and is far from only an American Phenomenon. In fact the US adopted the concepts much later than the UK, Australia, etc. In UK law look up 'juristic person' or 'legal person' and you'll note that it doesn't specify a restriction on it being a natural person.
In America The 14th Amendment was implemented after the civil war to grant personhood to former slaves but the vast majority of cases that were subsequently brought before the court were in regard to corporations. I don't deny that allowing artificial persons some legal rights is a good idea, it is a convenience in the business world, but trying to extend their status so that they can enjoy rights and protections under the law to the same degree as real people is ridiculous.
OD wrote:An absurdly extreme example of this, but a good illustration, would be a law that all corporations must ensure that their CEO eats pork once a week. This would make any person of Islamic or Orthodox Jewish beliefs be forced to choose between their religious beliefs and entering into industry, and would be in violation of the concepts of freedom of religion.]
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Here's an example of a double standard enforced by the court. Apparently Americans have the right to bully people seeking abortions but cannot practice the 1st amendment rights in front of the highest court in the land.
The Supreme Court Enjoys a Much Bigger Buffer Zone than the One It Just Took Away from Abortion Clinics
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Post by UKJ » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:51 pm

I don't see anything wrong with the first example. Sexting 15 year old girls is thankfully illegal.

The thing about things like the second example, although extreme, is that in a lot of instances, it's the public who have campaigned for some iffy laws. Grieving parents, for example, are always campaigning for laws against some freak instance that killed their loved ones. And of course, if you make killing foetuses illegal ( which sounds just) , then it opens the doors to cases like the one quoted.
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