AGAIN! US shooting
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AGAIN! US shooting
Sutherland Springs: Texas church shooting leaves 26 dead
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At least 26 people have been killed and 20 others wounded after a gunman opened fire at a Texas church during Sunday service.
The attack happened at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, a small town in Wilson County. The victims' ages ranged from five to 72.
The suspected gunman was later found dead in his vehicle some miles away.
Police identified him only as a "young, white male", but US media named him as Devin Patrick Kelley, 26.
Kelley is reported to have been discharged from the US Air Force in 2014 following a court-martial for assaulting his wife and child.
The motive for the killings is not yet clear.
A candlelit vigil was held for victims of the shooting in Sutherland Springs
Texas Department of Public Safety regional director Freeman Martin said the attacker, dressed all in black and wearing a bulletproof vest, opened fire with an assault-style rifle outside the church at around 11:30 local time (17:30 GMT) and then went inside.
As the gunman left the church, a local citizen grabbed his own rifle and began shooting at the suspect, who then dropped his weapon and fled in a vehicle.
The citizen pursued the suspect, who eventually drove off the road and crashed his car at the Guadalupe County line.
Police found the man dead in his car, but it is unclear if he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or from injuries received when fired on by the local citizen. The car contained several weapons.
Mr Martin added: "We have multiple crime scenes. We have the church, outside the church. We have where the suspect's vehicle was located.
"We have been following up on the suspect and where he's from. We have Texas Rangers at all the hospitals locating those and interviewing those who were injured."
Governor Greg Abbott, confirming the death toll, said it was the worst mass shooting in the history of Texas.
"This will be a long, suffering mourning for those in pain," he said at a news conference on Sunday.
The First Baptist Church's pastor, Frank Pomeroy, told ABC News that his 14-year-old daughter, Annabelle, was among those killed.
Mr Pomeroy, who was in Oklahoma at the time of the attack, described her as "one very beautiful, special child" in a phone call to the television outlet.
At least 10 victims, including four children, were being treated at the University Health System in nearby San Antonio, the hospital said in a tweet.
Sheriff Joe Tackitt said authorities could not confirm the names of any victims yet as they continued to work through the crime scene.
Officials said 23 people were found dead inside the church while two people were fatally shot outside. Another died in hospital, authorities said.
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One witness, Carrie Matula, told NBC News: "We heard semi-automatic gunfire… we're only about 50 yards away from this church.
"This is a very small community, so everyone was very curious as to what was going on."
Sutherland Springs, which has a population of about 400, lies about 30 miles (50km) south-east of the city of San Antonio.
Map of Sutherland Springs Area
Media captionA guide to the weapons available in the US and the rate at which they fire
President Donald Trump, on a tour of Asia, said the gunman was "a very deranged individual" and denied that guns were to blame for the shooting.
"We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, but this isn't a guns situation," he said.
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The shooting comes just a month after a gunman in Las Vegas opened fire on an outdoor music festival, killing 58 people and wounding hundreds in the deadliest mass shooting in recent US history.
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It's my understanding that they are having a hard time proving the Vegas shooter was nuts, no physical symptoms."We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, but this isn't a guns situation," he said.
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As a former hunter and gun owner I support private ownership of semi automatic weapons when supported by background checks and state controlled registration. Under no circumstances should any civilian have access to fully automatic weapons, bumpstocks or silencers. And no I do not belong to the NRA.
As my old Cajun bait seller used to say, "I opes you luck.
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What crap. Who needs semi auto firearms? Nobody. I have had guns all my life as a farm owner and station manager. I never needed semi auto weapons.taabarang wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:26 pm As a former hunter and gun owner I support private ownership of semi automatic weapons when supported by background checks and state controlled registration. Under no circumstances should any civilian have access to fully automatic weapons, bumpstocks or silencers. And no I do not belong to the NRA.
When will you yanks understand that your outdated "2nd amendment" is only useful to the manufacturers of firearms.
Even the moron president said the latest shooting was mental not gun specific.
While you have this misunderstood amendment that you claim is your right then you deserve all the atrocities caused by fuckwits who purchased firearms under your flawed legislation.
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You'd want semi-auto if you were hunting wild hogs, apparently.
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I was classified as a professional kangaroo licence holder and as such shot roos for the export meat market. I also managed a cattle property at the time in the Pilliga scrub ( up near Wee Waa NSW).
There were lots of wild pigs there and I never saw a semi automatic firearm.
There is just no need if you can shoot straight.
There were lots of wild pigs there and I never saw a semi automatic firearm.
There is just no need if you can shoot straight.
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We used to use these SKS's for pigs in Queensland, cheap as chips and very effective!cptrelentless wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:18 pm You'd want semi-auto if you were hunting wild hogs, apparently.
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Cambodia also has a lot of mental health problems, but very few mass shootings..."We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, but this isn't a guns situation," he said.
I wonder why?
Doh.
I think the selective deafness is due to the NRA campaign contribution...what was it, $30 million?
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Small world:) i used to be a jackaroo in the same area,(cattle/sheep station)than later a woolclasser ,also true i used to go pig shooting often in the irrigation channels and had the wild pigs running at me 3 abreast:) the old .303 did the trick,just reload quickly:)Arget wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:23 pm I was classified as a professional kangaroo licence holder and as such shot roos for the export meat market. I also managed a cattle property at the time in the Pilliga scrub ( up near Wee Waa NSW).
There were lots of wild pigs there and I never saw a semi automatic firearm.
There is just no need if you can shoot straight.
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I know nothing about hunting in Australia, but your weapons of choice would not work well in northern Maine against bears. Their bony skulls easily deflect rounds and their massive body fat protects against the shock of impact. A wounded bear can still be fast, fast enough that reloading is out of the question. I have hunted wild boar with Cajun friends in Louisiana. We used three different types of hounds and my weapon of choice was a .41 mag pistol(revolver).
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