Thai beach declared disaster area after oil spill

atst · Post by **atst** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:09 pm

All sorts of shit get dumbed in the west because of the expense to doing the right thing. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Ryan754326 · Post by **Ryan754326** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:50 pm

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Ryan754326 · Post by **Ryan754326** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:53 pm

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:45 pm
I'm not trying to play this up... but 50,000 litres is more than four largest size tanker truck loads.

(The Bangkok Post and others are quoting 160,00 litres, but it was deep submerged and continued for at least 24 hours so we don't really know)

In the grand scheme of things.. these constant incremental death events have a devastating effect on the health and marine life of the Gulf.

lol. You are obviously a "glass only half full of oil" kinda guy, Ryan.
Such optimism is (usually) admirable.

I'm more of a "the glass is half full of fucking oil" man myself.

The oil truck I used to drive carried 44,000 liters, so that’s what I’m basing my “truck load” on. I guess it depends on what kind of truck you’re looking at; Thai tanker trucks do tend to be a lot smaller, but then they aren’t the largest size.
(If the size of the spill has now been revised to 160,000 liters then you’re correct. I didn’t see that when I originally posted)

And yes, I admit that I do tend to be a glass-half-full type of guy.
I don’t like oil spills any more that you do, but I see the occasional one as the inevitable cost of our modern lifestyles. Fortunately this one was rather small (even at 160k liters).
It’s nice to imagine that we can eventually get away from using fossil fuels, but we’re still a very long way off from that.

In the short run, some marine life will be affected, and the beaches will be a mess, but over the long term, the earth won’t notice.

Cowshed Cowboy · Post by **Cowshed Cowboy** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:24 am

Ryan754326 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:53 pm
In the short run, some marine life will be affected, and the beaches will be a mess, but over the long term, the earth won’t notice.

My tree hugging environmental credentials are pretty near zero workwise, but the thing about that area is the marine life was devastated long ago with the development of Map Tha Phut. It had a pretty big fishing industry/community which has all but gone due to the chemical pollution over the years. It's a classic environmental/industry trade off, Rayong is now the richest province in Thailand outside of Bangkok but it's a pollution nightmare. If this slick reaches Koh Samed it will be a real blow for another tourist reliant area.

" The earth won't notice" - purely in a Thailand sense I agree in isolation, but I think it all adds up when you include other issues like the air quality due to the crop burning in the north that makes Chiang Mai less attractive for a few months a year. I think I'm veering towards the Greta camp the more I see as time goes on.

Ryan754326 · Post by **Ryan754326** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:30 am

Cowshed Cowboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:24 am
My tree hugging environmental credentials are pretty near zero workwise, but the thing about that area is the marine life was devastated long ago with the development of Map Tha Phut. It had a pretty big fishing industry/community which has all but gone due to the chemical pollution over the years. It's a classic environmental/industry trade off, Rayong is now the richest province in Thailand outside of Bangkok but it's a pollution nightmare. If this slick reaches Koh Samed it will be a real blow for another tourist reliant area.

" The earth won't notice" - purely in a Thailand sense I agree in isolation, but I think it all adds up when you include other issues like the air quality due to the crop burning in the north that makes Chiang Mai less attractive for a few months a year. I think I'm veering towards the Greta camp the more I see as time goes on.

I can’t argue with anything you wrote here, all I’m saying is that people have to realize there’s a big trade off if we want to eliminate industries that pollute our environment.
I’m well aware that sometimes I come off as a guy who just doesn’t care, but it’s not the case at all. I live a very minimalist lifestyle, and like to think that my carbon footprint is substantially lower than most of the people I know. Many of them appear to care much more than I do when they repost environmentalist memes on Facebook, but if they were forced to live the way I do, they would probably have a very hard time accepting it.

The fact is, that fossil fuels (and industrial processes as a whole) have given us the way of life that we are used to today, and have been a huge part of the rapidly improving living conditions in places like SEA, that were very poor only a few decades ago.
We could all go back to living traditional lifestyles, and it would help the planet, but we’d also have to accept all of the negatives that come with it.
When I look at countries like Cambodia today, I wish it could still be more like it was decades ago, but most of the people there seem to disagree with me, and think that they are better off now.

SternAAlbifrons · Post by **SternAAlbifrons** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:59 am

the earth won't notice

sorry, i couldn't find the lemming emoji
(- they didn't notice the cliff either)

Cowshed Cowboy · Post by **Cowshed Cowboy** » Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:38 am

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:59 am
the earth won't notice

sorry, i couldn't find the lemming emoji
(- they didn't notice the cliff either)

UB40 - The Earth Dies Screaming

So relevant in my youth politically and maybe that song carries more relevance now. What a band, one of the best.

Cowshed Cowboy · Post by **Cowshed Cowboy** » Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:16 am

Ryan754326 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:30 am
Cowshed Cowboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:24 am
My tree hugging environmental credentials are pretty near zero workwise, but the thing about that area is the marine life was devastated long ago with the development of Map Tha Phut. It had a pretty big fishing industry/community which has all but gone due to the chemical pollution over the years. It's a classic environmental/industry trade off, Rayong is now the richest province in Thailand outside of Bangkok but it's a pollution nightmare. If this slick reaches Koh Samed it will be a real blow for another tourist reliant area.

" The earth won't notice" - purely in a Thailand sense I agree in isolation, but I think it all adds up when you include other issues like the air quality due to the crop burning in the north that makes Chiang Mai less attractive for a few months a year. I think I'm veering towards the Greta camp the more I see as time goes on.
I can’t argue with anything you wrote here, all I’m saying is that people have to realize there’s a big trade off if we want to eliminate industries that pollute our environment.
I’m well aware that sometimes I come off as a guy who just doesn’t care, but it’s not the case at all. I live a very minimalist lifestyle, and like to think that my carbon footprint is substantially lower than most of the people I know. Many of them appear to care much more than I do when they repost environmentalist memes on Facebook, but if they were forced to live the way I do, they would probably have a very hard time accepting it.

The fact is, that fossil fuels (and industrial processes as a whole) have given us the way of life that we are used to today, and have been a huge part of the rapidly improving living conditions in places like SEA, that were very poor only a few decades ago.
We could all go back to living traditional lifestyles, and it would help the planet, but we’d also have to accept all of the negatives that come with it.
When I look at countries like Cambodia today, I wish it could still be more like it was decades ago, but most of the people there seem to disagree with me, and think that they are better off now.

Agree with you broadly on the issue, no idea about your views or posts elsewhere, HOWEVER " When I look at countries like Cambodia today, I wish it could still be more like it was decades ago " Were you here then and where else were the good places that didn't deserve to progress, My experience was it was the dirt poorest place I've ever encountered and not a place that could possibly remain the same for the benefit of the younger generation.

Kabul is still the go to place if you want to go back in time for that authentic no future undeveloped experience.

SternAAlbifrons · Post by **SternAAlbifrons** » Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:42 am

Ah.. the old zero sum game manoeuvre

Sorry guys you'll have to do better than that.

mannanman · Post by **mannanman** » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:18 am

Cowshed Cowboy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:38 am
SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:59 am
the earth won't notice

sorry, i couldn't find the lemming emoji
(- they didn't notice the cliff either)
UB40 - The Earth Dies Screaming

So relevant in my youth politically and maybe that song carries more relevance now. What a band, one of the best.

He has a great voice.

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