phuketrichard wrote:

So they stole the Khmers traditional dancing, then when things got stable after the dark ages when the French came over to colonize and give cambodia protection, Thailand gave them their dance back but said its ours now? lol

Nobody stole anything.
the dance, the music, the building, all came from somewhere else, but each country adapted the form and made it their own.

Look at Koh Ker, look at the Pyramids
hundreds of examples to choose from

Timothy wrote:The KING RAMA III OF SIAM sent troop of Siamese Army to Kampuchea to save Khmer culture from destroying by Vietnam.Back then they killed all VIP included arts ,books and any of knowledge providers of KHMER CUlTURE.Royall families were killed excepted females,they were send to marriage Vietnamese royal men.This took 10 years to save Kampuchea,during that time Kampuchea prince was in Bangkok all along.

Just to remind you that Vietnam did a pretty good job whiping out JAMPA CULTURE in Vietnam.

To restore all missing parts ,KING RAMA III sent all artists,teachetrs of all kinds to rebuild well-being of KAMPUCHEA CULTURE.This was in the time of the name "Siam"still exist.Just imagine there were no TEACHERS OF TRUE KHMER CULTURE around.KING RAMA III still did his best to rebuild KAMPUCHEA CULTURE because it was a part of Siam too.
Until Franch discovered SOUTHEAST ASIA .Siam didn't have a choice but to tricked Franch to take only parts of Siam(those parts were :Vietnam Laos and KAMPUCHEA). In meanwhile Siam had to give some other parts to British.(Maleysia and Burma)

KAMPUCHEA CULTURE was wiped out again by VIETNAM WAR in 70s.

Jamie_Lambo wrote:

mushrooms wrote:

Jamie_Lambo wrote:

mushrooms wrote:

dopmoto wrote:
samouth thai stole more cultures than you think.

the whole culture of thailand is just bits and pieces of other cultures.

We can say the same about Cambodian culture too. It's time for Cambodians to finally recognize that they owe a lot of their cultural richness to the Thais. Of course this will probably never happen because Cambodians think they created everything.
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Thailand?
you mean India surely? Cambodia was originally Hindu, and had Buddhism as a secondary religion as far back as 500BC in the Funan Kingdom, Buddhism came from India and was adopted as the countries main religion during the Angkor period (which modern day Thailand was apart of) the Khmers were building buddhist temples in Thailand before the Sukhothai + Ayutthaya kingdoms had even adopted Buddhism as the state religion...
a lot of Cambodia culture also comes from India, Apsara/Devata Dancers etc is another thing that comes from india...
Thailands National/Traditional clothing is based on the traditional clothing from the old cambodian Funan kingdom

what cultural richness's did Cambodia get from the Thais?

Directly from India? That's debatable. I believe it was the Chams and Sailendra (Javanese) that brought over Indian culture to Cambodia. So there is a layer of some other cultures in the "Indian culture" that ancient Cambodians adopted.

The Buddhism that exists in Cambodia today is not the same as that which existed in the Angkor period and before. Another thing that owes it self to Thai influence. The two Buddhist sects today are based on Thai Buddhism and probably was influence from Burmese Buddhism in turn.

What I am saying is, Thai culture flourished in the Ayuthaya and Ratanakosin period. The wealth they garnered in these periods brought on new, creative changes to culture and were unlike anything that they may have taken from the ancient Khmers. They mish-mashed ideas from various cultures, from the Malays, to the Burmese, to the Chinese. The Thais actually insist a lot of the present-day classical dance we see in Thailand and Cambodia ultimately comes from Malay folk dances/rituals. The Thais refined this in the Ayuthaya era and it slowly evolved into what is now. And Cambodia receiving this dance culture somewhere in the 1800s.

And apsara dance is just a facade, it uses present-day classical dance and puts on garb inspired by the bas-reliefs.

im too hungover for this im off copying and pasting again lol

the Khmer + Thai Language comes from India (sanskrit + Pali)
why would the Chams (muslims) bring over hinduism and buddhism?

By the second century C.E. Funan controlled the strategic coastline of Indochina and the maritime trade routes. Cultural and religious ideas reached Funan via the Indian Ocean trade route. Trade with India had commenced well before 500 BC as Sanskrit hadn't yet replaced Pali.[44] Indian author Dr. Pragya Mishra observes: "Funan Was One Of The Colonies Established By Indians Within Cambodia...[sic]" in his essay "Cultural History of Indian Diaspora in Cambodia".[45] Funans language has been determined as to have been an early form of Khmer and its written form was Sanskrit.[46]

Hindu + Buddhist influences came through to Java in the 5th Century through the same India trade routes

Hindu and Buddhist influences arrived through trade contacts with the Indian subcontinent.[20] Hindu and Buddhist proselytizers arrived in the 5th century.

Theravada Buddhism comes from Sri Lanka, not Thailand??

During the 5th to 13th centuries, Southeast Asian empires were influenced directly from India and followed Mahayana Buddhism. The Chinese pilgrim Yijing noted in his travels that in these areas, all major sects of Indian Buddhism flourished.[3] Srivijaya to the south and the Khmer Empire to the north competed for influence and their art expressed the rich Mahāyāna pantheon of bodhisattvas. From the 9th to the 13th centuries, the Mahāyāna and Hindu Khmer Empire dominated much of the Southeast Asian peninsula. Under the Khmer Empire, more than 900 temples were built in Cambodia and in neighboring Thailand.

After the decline of Buddhism in India, missions of Sinhalese monks gradually converted the Mon people and the Pyu city-states from Ari Buddhism to Theravāda and over the next two centuries also brought Theravāda Buddhism to the Bamar people, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia, where it supplanted previous forms of Buddhism.[4]

King Jayavarman VII had sent his son Tamalinda to Sri Lanka to be ordained as a Buddhist monk and study Theravada Buddhism according to the Pali scriptural traditions. Tamalinda then returned to Cambodia and promoted Buddhist traditions according to the Theravada training he had received, galvanizing and energizing the long-standing Theravada presence that had existed throughout the Angkor empire for centuries.

The post-Angkor period saw the dramatic rise of the Pali Theravada tradition in Southeast Asia and concomitant decline of the Brahmanic and Mahayana Buddhist religious traditions. A 1423 Thai account of a mission to Sri Lanka mentions eight Khmer monks who again brought orthodox Mahavihara sect of Singhalese order to Kampuchea.

again i dont see how you can say Thailand have been the biggest influence on the Khmer culture, when its clearly India... must be trolling lol

Jamie Lambo wrote:the Khmer + Thai Language comes from India (sanskrit + Pali)
why would the Chams (muslims) bring over hinduism and buddhism?

Timothy wrote:Siam didn't have a choice but to tricked Franch to take only parts of Siam(those parts were :Vietnam Laos and KAMPUCHEA). In meanwhile Siam had to give some other parts to British.(Maleysia and Burma)

mushrooms wrote:

Jamie_Lambo wrote:

mushrooms wrote:

Jamie_Lambo wrote:

mushrooms wrote:
We can say the same about Cambodian culture too. It's time for Cambodians to finally recognize that they owe a lot of their cultural richness to the Thais. Of course this will probably never happen because Cambodians think they created everything.
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Thailand?
you mean India surely? Cambodia was originally Hindu, and had Buddhism as a secondary religion as far back as 500BC in the Funan Kingdom, Buddhism came from India and was adopted as the countries main religion during the Angkor period (which modern day Thailand was apart of) the Khmers were building buddhist temples in Thailand before the Sukhothai + Ayutthaya kingdoms had even adopted Buddhism as the state religion...
a lot of Cambodia culture also comes from India, Apsara/Devata Dancers etc is another thing that comes from india...
Thailands National/Traditional clothing is based on the traditional clothing from the old cambodian Funan kingdom

what cultural richness's did Cambodia get from the Thais?

Directly from India? That's debatable. I believe it was the Chams and Sailendra (Javanese) that brought over Indian culture to Cambodia. So there is a layer of some other cultures in the "Indian culture" that ancient Cambodians adopted.

The Buddhism that exists in Cambodia today is not the same as that which existed in the Angkor period and before. Another thing that owes it self to Thai influence. The two Buddhist sects today are based on Thai Buddhism and probably was influence from Burmese Buddhism in turn.

What I am saying is, Thai culture flourished in the Ayuthaya and Ratanakosin period. The wealth they garnered in these periods brought on new, creative changes to culture and were unlike anything that they may have taken from the ancient Khmers. They mish-mashed ideas from various cultures, from the Malays, to the Burmese, to the Chinese. The Thais actually insist a lot of the present-day classical dance we see in Thailand and Cambodia ultimately comes from Malay folk dances/rituals. The Thais refined this in the Ayuthaya era and it slowly evolved into what is now. And Cambodia receiving this dance culture somewhere in the 1800s.

And apsara dance is just a facade, it uses present-day classical dance and puts on garb inspired by the bas-reliefs.

im too hungover for this im off copying and pasting again lol

the Khmer + Thai Language comes from India (sanskrit + Pali)
why would the Chams (muslims) bring over hinduism and buddhism?

By the second century C.E. Funan controlled the strategic coastline of Indochina and the maritime trade routes. Cultural and religious ideas reached Funan via the Indian Ocean trade route. Trade with India had commenced well before 500 BC as Sanskrit hadn't yet replaced Pali.[44] Indian author Dr. Pragya Mishra observes: "Funan Was One Of The Colonies Established By Indians Within Cambodia...[sic]" in his essay "Cultural History of Indian Diaspora in Cambodia".[45] Funans language has been determined as to have been an early form of Khmer and its written form was Sanskrit.[46]

Hindu + Buddhist influences came through to Java in the 5th Century through the same India trade routes

Hindu and Buddhist influences arrived through trade contacts with the Indian subcontinent.[20] Hindu and Buddhist proselytizers arrived in the 5th century.

Theravada Buddhism comes from Sri Lanka, not Thailand??

During the 5th to 13th centuries, Southeast Asian empires were influenced directly from India and followed Mahayana Buddhism. The Chinese pilgrim Yijing noted in his travels that in these areas, all major sects of Indian Buddhism flourished.[3] Srivijaya to the south and the Khmer Empire to the north competed for influence and their art expressed the rich Mahāyāna pantheon of bodhisattvas. From the 9th to the 13th centuries, the Mahāyāna and Hindu Khmer Empire dominated much of the Southeast Asian peninsula. Under the Khmer Empire, more than 900 temples were built in Cambodia and in neighboring Thailand.

After the decline of Buddhism in India, missions of Sinhalese monks gradually converted the Mon people and the Pyu city-states from Ari Buddhism to Theravāda and over the next two centuries also brought Theravāda Buddhism to the Bamar people, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia, where it supplanted previous forms of Buddhism.[4]

King Jayavarman VII had sent his son Tamalinda to Sri Lanka to be ordained as a Buddhist monk and study Theravada Buddhism according to the Pali scriptural traditions. Tamalinda then returned to Cambodia and promoted Buddhist traditions according to the Theravada training he had received, galvanizing and energizing the long-standing Theravada presence that had existed throughout the Angkor empire for centuries.

The post-Angkor period saw the dramatic rise of the Pali Theravada tradition in Southeast Asia and concomitant decline of the Brahmanic and Mahayana Buddhist religious traditions. A 1423 Thai account of a mission to Sri Lanka mentions eight Khmer monks who again brought orthodox Mahavihara sect of Singhalese order to Kampuchea.

again i dont see how you can say Thailand have been the biggest influence on the Khmer culture, when its clearly India... must be trolling lol

I never said Thailand invented Theravada Buddhism. I assume we all know Theravada's stronghold is Sri Lanka. But the Thais had a strong grasp over the royal family of Cambodia. They brought over a lot of Thai influences into Cambodia during the 1800s.

What I am saying, Cambodia absorbed it's current cultural richness from Thailand (or Siam back then). There are things in Khmero-Thai culture that doesn't exist in India obviously. These things are a mark of Thai cultural inventions.