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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by phuketrichard » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:54 pm

On a side note to all those that knock Thailand and hate LOS
Have you lived here?
If so and left, where did you move to that you felt you had a better life?

I know for sure, even thou i am moving over in july, i will not have a better/easier life, nor will it cost me less to live there.
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by sigmoid » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:57 pm

Anthony's Weiner wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:41 pm
sigmoid wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:29 am
I am sure if anyone does not go to Thailand for whatever reason, they will not have to end up is such a predicament involving inhumane treatment of offenders.

In my 12 years of not living in Thailand I have no fear whatsoever of having to end up like this. I always set a reminder in my phone to remind me not to travel to Thailand.

I don't have to think about much less care about the extremely corrupt and ruthless government officials in Thailand, how fucked up and scums of all scums they can be because I avoid them at all costs. How? Simply by not living in or visiting Thailand and living and traveling in other countries, you will have no fear. I don't have local government wanting to extort money from me.

My lesson is always to dismiss any ideas about visiting Thailand. Don't go for chrissake. You won't need to bribe them cos you won't be there forever. This goes with anyone's immigration issues and the lousy treatment if one has simply overstayed.

I'm not teaching anyone here how to live, most of you should be older and wiser than me. Just sharing my 12 years experience of not living in Thailand. I am very happy every single day of my life here, happier than I would be if I'd stayed in Thailand.
Can you share the name of the magical place you live in?
As indicated by my flag, I currently live in Vietnam, which I wouldn't really call 'magical'. It's far from perfect, but it is relatively hassle-free. That may change soon with regard to visas. Since leaving Thailand, I've also lived in Cambodia and Laos.
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by Alex » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:44 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:54 pm
On a side note to all those that knock Thailand and hate LOS
Have you lived here?
If so and left, where did you move to that you felt you had a better life?
You can love Thailand (I do) and still condemn the atrocious conditions in Thai prisons in general and in the IDC in particular (I do). The Thai public service is a total disgrace, all the way down from the leadership to their lowest minions. I've lived in Bangkok for almost 15 years and I think I'll never get tired of "knocking" them. Unfortunately, no cure has been found for this cancer yet!
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by phuketrichard » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:46 pm

Alex wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:44 pm
phuketrichard wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:54 pm
On a side note to all those that knock Thailand and hate LOS
Have you lived here?
If so and left, where did you move to that you felt you had a better life?
You can love Thailand (I do) and still condemn the atrocious conditions in Thai prisons in general and in the IDC in particular (I do). The Thai public service is a total disgrace, all the way down from the leadership to their lowest minions. I've lived in Bangkok for almost 15 years and I think I'll never get tired of "knocking" them. Unfortunately, no cure has been found for this cancer yet!
:beer3: guess u get along fine on thai visa LOL
we all have the same disease.
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by Khmu Nation » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:08 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:38 pm
Kammekor wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:30 pm
Khmu Nation wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:44 am
I agree - don’t overstay. But it can happen. I was extremely ill with a fever for two weeks which meant I overstayed and missed my flight. After I recovered I booked a new flight and upon arrival at the airport presented myself at departures expecting to pay an overstay fine and be on my merry way. As I had no medical certificate or receipt proving my illness and inability to fly when I was meant to I got banged up for 3 months. As stated it can and does happen.
They bang you up for three months for a two-week overstay if you have no medical certificate? Just for that?
There's something more to the story, of that i am sure. I know more than a few that have overstayed more than a month, rolled up to immigration with a ticket on a departing flight, paid the fine and left. I have never been more than a day overstay on all the time I have been here, never paid any fine at immigration, ( or bakshish) or had any problems..
There is nothing more to the story. However the embassy dude did say I was particularly unlucky as the government where having a huge clampdown on visa overstay at the time and being, in many cases including mine, totally unreasonable.

I don’t even know what I was doing there anyway. I have never liked ‘the land of (fake) smiles’.
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by Khmu Nation » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:21 pm

There is nothing else to it but my conduct when initially in police custody could have been better and I did something I later found out was incredibly offensive to Thai people so maybe it was that.

You live and learn.

Should have kept the receipt from the medical centre too
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by Anthony's Weiner » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:05 am

sigmoid wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:57 pm
Anthony's Weiner wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:41 pm
sigmoid wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:29 am
I am sure if anyone does not go to Thailand for whatever reason, they will not have to end up is such a predicament involving inhumane treatment of offenders.

In my 12 years of not living in Thailand I have no fear whatsoever of having to end up like this. I always set a reminder in my phone to remind me not to travel to Thailand.

I don't have to think about much less care about the extremely corrupt and ruthless government officials in Thailand, how fucked up and scums of all scums they can be because I avoid them at all costs. How? Simply by not living in or visiting Thailand and living and traveling in other countries, you will have no fear. I don't have local government wanting to extort money from me.

My lesson is always to dismiss any ideas about visiting Thailand. Don't go for chrissake. You won't need to bribe them cos you won't be there forever. This goes with anyone's immigration issues and the lousy treatment if one has simply overstayed.

I'm not teaching anyone here how to live, most of you should be older and wiser than me. Just sharing my 12 years experience of not living in Thailand. I am very happy every single day of my life here, happier than I would be if I'd stayed in Thailand.
Can you share the name of the magical place you live in?
As indicated by my flag, I currently live in Vietnam, which I wouldn't really call 'magical'. It's far from perfect, but it is relatively hassle-free. That may change soon with regard to visas. Since leaving Thailand, I've also lived in Cambodia and Laos.
I like Vietnam very much. I have vacationed there a number of times and certainly understand what attracts you to it. The same with Laos. I believe I could live happily in either of them and have a number of friends that do. I am not blind to the problems in Thailand, the corruption, the xenophobia, the incredible wealth gap and here in Isaan the dominance of the central government and its desire to maintain an under-educated workforce in order for the oligarchs to profit.

The 2017 Corruption Perceptions Index by Transparency International ranked Vietnam at 107 out of 180 countries. Thailand is the 101 least corrupt nation out of 180 countries, according to the 2019 Corruption Perceptions Index. I don't believe Vietnam to be any less corrupt than Thailand.

People detained by the police in Vietnam for using drugs are held without due process for years, forced to work for little or no pay, and suffer torture and physical violence, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Government-run drug detention centers, mandated to “treat” and ”rehabilitate” drug users, are little more than forced labor camps where drug users work six days a week processing cashews, sewing garments, or manufacturing other items... https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/09/07/vie ... -detention
I don t believe the judicial system of Vietnam to be any more enlightened than Thailand's.

Human rights issues included unlawful or arbitrary killings by the government; torture by government agents; arbitrary arrests and detentions by the government; political prisoners; arbitrary or unlawful interference with privacy; arbitrary arrest and prosecution of individuals critical of the government, including online, and of journalists and bloggers, monitoring communications of journalists, activists, and individuals who question the state’s authority, censorship, unjustified internet restrictions such as site and account blocking, and criminal libel; substantial interference with the rights of peaceful assembly and freedom of association including detention, arrest, and prosecution of individuals seeking to assemble freely and form associations; significant restrictions on freedom of movement, including exit bans on activists; restrictions on political participation; corruption; and outlawing of independent trade unions. The government sometimes took corrective action, including prosecutions, against officials who violated the law, but police officers sometimes acted with impunity.
https://vn.usembassy.gov/country-report ... ices-2018/
I don t believe that human rights are given any greater importance in Vietnam than Thailand

Prison conditions varied substantially by prison and province. In most cases, they were austere but generally not life-threatening. Insufficient diet and unclean food, overcrowding, lack of access to potable water, and poor sanitation remained serious problems. Prison officials singled out political prisoners for harsher treatment and often held them in small groups separate from the general inmate population, and subjected them to extreme harassment from both prison authorities and other inmates. https://vn.usembassy.gov/country-report ... ices-2018/
I don t believe Vietnamese prisons to be superior to Thai Prisons.

If anything it would appear that the two countries share many of the same failures and difficulties. I find it surprising that you view one as Nirvana and the other as a hellhole.
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by sigmoid » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:33 pm

Anthony's Weiner wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:05 am
sigmoid wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:57 pm
Anthony's Weiner wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:41 pm
sigmoid wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:29 am
I am sure if anyone does not go to Thailand for whatever reason, they will not have to end up is such a predicament involving inhumane treatment of offenders.

In my 12 years of not living in Thailand I have no fear whatsoever of having to end up like this. I always set a reminder in my phone to remind me not to travel to Thailand.

I don't have to think about much less care about the extremely corrupt and ruthless government officials in Thailand, how fucked up and scums of all scums they can be because I avoid them at all costs. How? Simply by not living in or visiting Thailand and living and traveling in other countries, you will have no fear. I don't have local government wanting to extort money from me.

My lesson is always to dismiss any ideas about visiting Thailand. Don't go for chrissake. You won't need to bribe them cos you won't be there forever. This goes with anyone's immigration issues and the lousy treatment if one has simply overstayed.

I'm not teaching anyone here how to live, most of you should be older and wiser than me. Just sharing my 12 years experience of not living in Thailand. I am very happy every single day of my life here, happier than I would be if I'd stayed in Thailand.
Can you share the name of the magical place you live in?
As indicated by my flag, I currently live in Vietnam, which I wouldn't really call 'magical'. It's far from perfect, but it is relatively hassle-free. That may change soon with regard to visas. Since leaving Thailand, I've also lived in Cambodia and Laos.
I like Vietnam very much. I have vacationed there a number of times and certainly understand what attracts you to it. The same with Laos. I believe I could live happily in either of them and have a number of friends that do. I am not blind to the problems in Thailand, the corruption, the xenophobia, the incredible wealth gap and here in Isaan the dominance of the central government and its desire to maintain an under-educated workforce in order for the oligarchs to profit.

The 2017 Corruption Perceptions Index by Transparency International ranked Vietnam at 107 out of 180 countries. Thailand is the 101 least corrupt nation out of 180 countries, according to the 2019 Corruption Perceptions Index. I don't believe Vietnam to be any less corrupt than Thailand.

People detained by the police in Vietnam for using drugs are held without due process for years, forced to work for little or no pay, and suffer torture and physical violence, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Government-run drug detention centers, mandated to “treat” and ”rehabilitate” drug users, are little more than forced labor camps where drug users work six days a week processing cashews, sewing garments, or manufacturing other items... https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/09/07/vie ... -detention
I don t believe the judicial system of Vietnam to be any more enlightened than Thailand's.

Human rights issues included unlawful or arbitrary killings by the government; torture by government agents; arbitrary arrests and detentions by the government; political prisoners; arbitrary or unlawful interference with privacy; arbitrary arrest and prosecution of individuals critical of the government, including online, and of journalists and bloggers, monitoring communications of journalists, activists, and individuals who question the state’s authority, censorship, unjustified internet restrictions such as site and account blocking, and criminal libel; substantial interference with the rights of peaceful assembly and freedom of association including detention, arrest, and prosecution of individuals seeking to assemble freely and form associations; significant restrictions on freedom of movement, including exit bans on activists; restrictions on political participation; corruption; and outlawing of independent trade unions. The government sometimes took corrective action, including prosecutions, against officials who violated the law, but police officers sometimes acted with impunity.
https://vn.usembassy.gov/country-report ... ices-2018/
I don t believe that human rights are given any greater importance in Vietnam than Thailand

Prison conditions varied substantially by prison and province. In most cases, they were austere but generally not life-threatening. Insufficient diet and unclean food, overcrowding, lack of access to potable water, and poor sanitation remained serious problems. Prison officials singled out political prisoners for harsher treatment and often held them in small groups separate from the general inmate population, and subjected them to extreme harassment from both prison authorities and other inmates. https://vn.usembassy.gov/country-report ... ices-2018/
I don t believe Vietnamese prisons to be superior to Thai Prisons.

If anything it would appear that the two countries share many of the same failures and difficulties. I find it surprising that you view one as Nirvana and the other as a hellhole.
The main point was that I would like to avoid the current problems associated with Thailand, so I simply don't go there any more. Actually, the last time I was in Bangkok for a week or so about 3 years ago, I had a pretty good time. At the same time, these days I just prefer to be somewhere else. My strongly negative view is mostly a result of having lived there before and thus being able to compare past and present.

I described Vietnam as "far from perfect". I certainly don't consider it nirvana. I prefer it now, mostly because i have gotten used to the place and on a daily basis, there's not a lot that I need to think about. Also, since first coming to VN in 2004, the quality of life for expats has improved significantly.

Yes, you're right. Both countries have problems and challenges, as do Laos and Cambodia, Myanmar, etc., anywhere in the world. At the end of the day, we've all got to make a choice and live or choose to travel somewhere, which will naturally be different for different people.
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by Soriya » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:59 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:54 pm
On a side note to all those that knock Thailand and hate LOS
Have you lived here?
If so and left, where did you move to that you felt you had a better life?

I know for sure, even thou i am moving over in july, i will not have a better/easier life, nor will it cost me less to live there.
I dont hate thailand. I love it
I holidayed a lot in phuket.its my favourite place.i lived in loei, ratchasima and for a short while bangkok.
But i earn more in cambodia and it is definately cheaper for me.
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Re: smuggled photos from Bangkok’s Immigration Detention center

Post by TheAntichris » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:51 pm

Believe it or not, Thailand's IDC was infinitely worse than Cambodia's "Removal Center" (adj PPIA)...at least we had 24/7 wi/fi in Cambodia's "IDC"! LOL

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From Cambodia's "Removal Center" at PPIA:

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More photos from Cambodia's "IDC" [minus the Thai "IDC" mugshot photo which is my only photo from Bangkok as it's virtually impossible to smuggle a phone inside the cells without paying a MASSIVE bribe(s)]:

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