newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:21 am Follow the money …

Marijuana is a multi billion dollar business.

Therefore wouldn’t there be loads of studies saying how good it is to smoke it?

Exactly.

I'm not against marijuana being legalized, in fact there's a strong case for all drugs to be legalized as well as various reasons (all to do with money) why they aren't.

I'm not against marijuana either.

The issue is the misinformation around it.

I know a lot of people, all men in the 30s to 60s, who smoke weed very regularly and insist marijuana isnt addictive as well as being harmless to physical and mental health.

This just isn't true. Its totally wrong and goes against all recent research.

orichá wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:46 am Again, marijuana is not physically addictive in the same way as nicotine. Period. I don't need to read studies to know this.

I have smoked as few as one or two cigarettes a day in the past, and found it extremely difficult to quit altogether. On the other hand, I smoke marijuana on occasion, and never ever experience the physical craving and agitation nicotine imposes on the body system. This is a fact of experience, which anyone who has used both substances will verify.

I am sorry Khumu nation that your family/friends suffered debilitating conditions from overuse of marijuana. But that does not prove the physical addictiveness of marijuana! Marijuana does not cause any symptoms of craving or withdrawal in the same way as nicotine or heroin. Over-users of marijuana are merely habitual users and if they stop cold turkey, they will suffer absolutely no adverse physical effects! Their incapacity to stop smoking is a psychological habit, not a physically debilitating dependency. Again, if they stop, they will suffer no physical illness, which is not the case of nicotine or heroin, which make you either agitated and cagey until you pick up another cigarette or, in the case of heroin, violently ill, etc... There is no physical compulsion to smoke marijuana no matter how much you smoke once you stop. So, that means it is not physically addictive!

As to newkidontheblock. Medical science has verified the efficacity of THC to moderate inflammatory diseases like glaucoma, colitis and others. I am positive a little googling will turn up these reports. Personally, I know marijuana stops mild to moderate cases of ulcerative colitis. I went from needing to use suppositories everyday to suppress colitis to never ever needing to use any pharmaceutical medication ever again during my mid-thirties -- after I grew my own medical marijuana. As I got older, I didn't require any sort of medication, because almost everyone who suffers from colitis eventually outgrows it during their forties and fifties: it is believed to be a disease of the auto-immune system which moderates naturally as one grows older. I read all the studies many years ago, but I remember the key points very clearly. My own experience verified the typical statistical scenario for outgrowing colitis: I no longer require any medicines, the flare-ups went away several years ago...

More nonsense. Addiction can be physical or psychological or both. Marijuana is psychologically addictive. The science tells us this. Go read up on it. There's a load of articles on Google Scholar on this subject. The evidence that marijuana is addictive is overwhelming.

As usual you're comparing it to nicotine and heroin which is off no relevance. Do you not understand this? Do you not understand how weak your defense sounds when all you can come up with is "not as bad as heroin though"?

Its just nonsense. Why not compare it to drinking Pepsi or eating chocolate then?

The medical defense is again WEAK and made even WEAKER as you just mentioned heroin a few sentences before. You are aware that diamorphine is used in medicine as well. Or has that slipped you by? Does that mean you think heroin is all good too?


This isn't about 'hmm alcohol good, marijuana bad' or 'nicotine legal marijuana illegal'. I'm with you on marijuana being legalized. I think all drugs should be legalized in some from or certainly decriminalized.

Its about the misinformation and illusion people have that marijuana is non addictive and harmless to physical or emotional health.

Its bollocks. Its just not true.

".....Marijuana is psychologically addictive........."

YEP< i just enjoy being high...
if i didn't, why would I ( or anyone) smoke??

BUT some days, i dont, so i dont smoke, nor feel the need to

Conveniently avoiding the many positive attributes of CBD

orichá wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:11 am Sadly, Khmu Nation is blinded by the prejudice imposed by his or her personal family experience...

Even the crappy fake studies from the 80s on marijuana addiction paid for by Reaganites are likely to acknowledge the important difference between the consequences of physical addiction and psychological habit.

You cannot throw out the comparison between nicotine, heroin and marijuana because the difference between the effects of using these drugs is key to understanding their essential nature.

Anyone who has experience comparing these substances, or observing their effects upon users already knows both heroin and nicotine are hard to kick, while marijuana causes absolutely no physical dependency or serious illness whatsoever whenever one stops using it cold turkey.

Period. End of story. Nothing more need be said, lol...

Listen dude, this is getting boring and you are clearly a pot head/stoner (aka marijuana addict) so I know I am not going to get through to you.

You can throw out the comparison to nicotine and heroin because something worse does make something not good become okay. By your logic some dude could be a rapist but 'at least he doesnt rape children eh?' or some dude is a wife beater but 'he only ever hits her with an open palm' etc. You're dealing in logical fallacies. Also you write -

Anyone who has experience comparing these substances, or observing their effects upon users already knows both heroin and nicotine are hard to kick, while marijuana causes absolutely no physical dependency or serious illness whatsoever whenever one stops using it cold turkey.

Well get this. I was a habitual marijuana smoker for about 6 years. I was a cigarette smoker for about 25 years. I was also a functioning heroin user for 6 years and a heroin addict for 5 years. I have been sectioned under the mental health act three times and I've also been in three drug rehabs. In the case of mental health facilities I would say about 70% of male patients under the age of 30 were heavy marijuana smokers. Cannabis psychosis. It's a thing. In the rehabs I attended people in for marijuana addiction was low - about 10%.

You're right there's no physical withdrawal from marijuana in the same way there's no phsycial withdrawal from nicotene - or cocaine. Or is there? I myself have experienced, as well as witnessed anxiety, restlessless, aural hallucinations and a general sense of dissociation from suddenly stopping smoking marijuana.

But this still doesn't back up your statement which is: marijuana is non addictive.

Is physical withdrawal the only measure of whether a substance is addictive? It seems it is in your world. If this were the case kicking heroin would be really quite straight forward. A week feeling a bit like having flu and then its all good. It's the psychological apsects of heroin withdrawal combined with the physical withdrawal that make quitting heroin so challenging - and its not that hard, trust me. Ive done dozens of clucks. Drug addicts are all fucking drama queens. I know I was. (And I bet you are.) Of course they're going to spin war stories over their kicking - its in their nature. When I finally successfully quit I just stopped, I was done. It was that straight forward.

Also I believe, in my experience, there IS a physical withdrawal from marijuana as there is with nicotene. Yeah, compared to withdrawing from heroin and alcohol its nothing. The physical withdrawal from weed is similar to physical withdrawal from cocaine - anxiety, insomnia, reslessness.

There is a psychological withdrawal from marijuana. FACT.

I'm going to assume you smoke pot several times daily. Do you hand on heart believe that you could stop your marijuana consumption and have no adverse effects, no physical craving and no psyhcological difficulties or insomnia? Literally nothing, like stopping drinking a can of coke a day. You actually truly believve that marijuana is totally non addictive? Less so than, say, a cup of tea? Come on man! Wake up. This is before we even get onto the psyholgical damage marijuana does to many young men.

Psychadelics arent addictive, I will give you that. No one gets addicted to acid. (People have ruined their lives on acid though.) But Marijuana? Its addictive! End of subject.

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:13 am ".....Marijuana is psychologically addictive........."

YEP< i just enjoy being high...
if i didn't, why would I ( or anyone) smoke??

BUT some days, i dont, so i dont smoke, nor feel the need to

Conveniently avoiding the many positive attributes of CBD

Theres no convenient avoidance of CBD - thats a totally different subject the same way Amphetamine (in the from or Aderall) is used for ADHD or diamorphine is used in pain management for cancer treatment. We are talking drugs here; they all have positives. MDMA in marriage councilling, microdosing LSD for depression and bipolar, etc, etc.

Yet again this is just more pot head whataboutism when confronted with the fact that marijuana is addictive.

It is bizarre man. You're all the same. Literally digging your feet in and side stepping the satement - marijuana is addictive - with a load what abouts

What about alcohol?
What about cigarettes?
What about CBD?
What about hemp?

But then again, when I used heroin habitually for 6 years I thought I wasn't addicted (I was) as I only use on the weekends and I made similar claims; yeah man, like, the Rat Park Study* proves heroin isn't adictive, its the environment man. What a fucking idiot! Me, that is.

I don't know how long you have habitually smoked pot - perhaps the bulk of your life and, sure, you've had no signicant negative side effects both psychological or physical (yet) but we will never know what life you might have lead had you not floated through the one you have on pot.

All things in moderation.

Good luck.

* rat park:

https://library.onu.edu/c.php?g=835268& ... 20together.

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personally at my age, I prefer smoking at home, alone or with good friends, not in the company of strangers>

"....fact that marijuana is addictive."

AS you know thats where cbd comes from and it has saved and improved many life's

I agree there are always those that will abuse anything!!