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Bail rejected for Koh Tao suspects

The Koh Samui Provincial Court on Wednesday rejected bail requests for the two Myanmar men accused in the murder of two British backpackers on Koh Tao in September.

Surprising Myanmar embassy officials, who had expected bail to be granted, the court ruled that Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun posed a serious flight risk because they are Myanmar migrants accused of serious crimes, Myanmar online news website The Irawaddy reported.

"The court denied bail because they are accused in a serious crime case and because they are not Thai nationals," the news outlet quoted Htoo Chit, director of the Thailand-based Foundation for Education Development, which is part of the embassy's team aiding the 21-year-old suspects, as saying.

The bail request was the first for the two men, who are accused of the rape and murder of Briton Hannah Witheridge and the bludgeoning death of David Miller on Sept 15.

Andy Hall, an activist with the Migrant Workers Rights Network, posted on Twitter that the Myanmar government had raised two million baht - more than a third of which came from donations - and expected the two would be granted bail because prosecutors on Nov 20 stated they had no objections to it.

He said embassy officials expected bail to be set at somewhere between 500,000 and one million baht each.

Htoo Chit told The Irawaddy that the embassy team would now take their request to the Appeals Court, saying it had the "full support from the embassy and Myanmar's upper house speaker".

Upper House Speaker Khin Aung Myint visited Thailand on Nov 23-25 and met with Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha. The speaker shared his concerns about the detention of the two suspects, who Mr Hall said had not even been let out of their cells until Nov 19.

On Nov 20 the Koh Samui court approved a fifth period of detention as prosecutors said they were still waiting for more evidence and findings regarding the Myanmar men's accusations of torture during police interrogation.

Surapong Kongchantuk of the Lawyers Council of Thailand said the embassy officials and the council LCT submitted the bail request at 11am. It was dismissed by the court in the afternoon.

"The suspects' detention has been extended five times despite there being no witnesses to their guilt. There are only the test results of DNA, semen and saliva claimed by police.....

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the rest of the story
"The suspects' detention has been extended five times despite there being no witnesses to their guilt. There are only the test results of DNA, semen and saliva claimed by police," he said.

"The suspects deny [the evidence] is connected to them,” he said. Mr Surapong said the arrest of the two men had become a huge issue, and the Myanmar embassy had taken up their cause in a way it had never done before.
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i still wish, they could say something blatantly simple like..:

"..deny... they have been at the crime scene..."

"..deny... they raped the victims..."
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Suspects (and others) allege torture by Thai police:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/d ... k-tourists
Rights groups have expressed alarm after it emerged that lawyers representing Burmese migrant workers accused of killing two British tourists in Thailand have been given just a week to present their defence case, and without any access to the prosecution evidence.

The new timetable for the trial of the men accused of murdering Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on Koh Tao in September comes as more details were revealed about Thai police allegedly torturing other suspects and includes testimony from Burmese migrant workers on Koh Tao who say they were beaten, and scalded with boiling water.

Police eventually arrested Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, both 21, a fortnight after the murders. The men were said to have initially confessed, but soon retracted this, claiming they too had been beaten and threatened with death by their interrogators.

Last week they were formally charged with beating the Britons to death with a garden hoe, and raping Witheridge, and face possible execution. According to Nakhon Chompuchat, the lawyer leading the defence case, the start of the trial has now been brought forward from 25 February to 26 December, with the court on Koh Samui, the larger island near Koh Tao, demanding the full defence case be lodged in the next week, by 18 December.

This must be done without the defence team being allowed to see the prosecution case, only a basic six-page document outlining the charges and some details of the injuries suffered by Witheridge, 23, from Norfolk and Miller, 24, from Jersey.

The British government, which sent a Metropolitan police team to Thailand to look over the inquiry, does have details of the prosecution case. These have been shared with the victims’ families, who last week said they considered the case against the Burmese men strong. However, none of it has been passed to defence lawyers.

Maya Foa from the fair trials group Reprieve, said the group extended deep sympathies to the victims’ families and “understand their desire to see that those responsible are held to account”.

She added: “We also share their desire to see a fair and transparent trial process. At the moment, however, this does not seem to be happening. There have been widely reported concerns about tainting of the crime scene, confessions extracted by torture and the unreliability of forensic testing. The defence team has not seen any of the prosecution evidence – despite it having been shared with the metropolitan police – and they now have been given only seven days to submit their case.

“The British government opposes the death penalty in all circumstances, yet it appears that their actions in this case could be contributing to death sentences for Burmese migrants after an extremely unfair trial. The UK should adhere to their policy on the death penalty and should urge the Thai authorities to conduct a fair and open trial that does not result in the executions of potentially innocent individuals.”

Andy Hall, a British activist who works with Burmese migrants in Thailand and has been assisting the defence team, said the lack of access to the prosecution case made the task of compiling the defence “almost impossible”.

He said: “Our team are confused about what evidence the prosecution have. We don’t know anything but media speculation. We’ll only know at the time we submit our own evidence. It’s an impossible situation – how do you prepare when you don’t know the case against you? That’s a principle of criminal justice, that you need to know the case against you to defend yourself.”

He added: “Also the UK government say they want a fair trial, but they’re also not sharing any information. They’ve got autopsy reports and witness statements of Britons who came back to the UK. If it’s such a strong case, why not share it?”

Separately, on Tuesday Hall passed to Thailand’s human rights commission a dossier of evidence he helped compile of allegations from other Burmese men living on Koh Tao who say they were seriously mistreated by police during the investigation into the killings. Thai police deny the claims.

Among the photographic, audio and video evidence were statements from young Burmese men who say they were beaten by local officers during questioning, and others who claim they were scalded with boiling water.

Other allegations include that suspects were questioned with their heads covered tightly with plastic bags, hands were behind their backs or they were beaten and threatened verbally.

Groups including Amnesty International have expressed worries at the investigation and the torture allegations. Among concerns are that DNA evidence allegedly linking the men to the crime could have been tainted after a large number of people trampled over the murder scene, and previous cases where Thai police have attempted to wrongly pin high profile crimes on migrant workers...
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won't be the last event such as this. It's in the books and peoples minds. I'd be surprised if the families or someone with an interest in justice did not start up a website detailing murders, etc. and the botched/minimal investigations. The guys that get out months after or the ones that just pay their way out.

Maybe people won't care, happens to someone else syndrome, or maybe they'll stop coming and find other places to go. Excuses will be made but bottom line, it's GOING to have some effect on tourism. Not that those in charge will turn policing into a serious thing. It's not an easy thing to do anywhere. Camera's up everywhere in public tourism areas might be a good start, but then will they store the output? for more than a day? a week? Oooops, cannot...lost...corrupt....
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Letter from two accused of Koh Tao murders to Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Myanmar Democracy icon

“To: Daw Aung San Suu Kyi,

We pay obedience to the Buddha, Dharma, Sangha, our parents and our teachers.
The truth is we are not really involved in this case. We want you to help us. So we write this letter to you from our imprisonment. We were not involved in this crime. We do not want to be in jail anymore. We think the killer went to another country already. We think it is injustice that we are in the jail. We want justice and equality.

When you are reading this letter, we do not know really how you will think about us, but if possible we want you to help us, and we are also asking the help from you.
We are poor, so we came to Thailand to work and save money. My friend, Zaw Lin, he does not have father, he has to support his widow mother.

I (Wai Phyo) also have to support my grandmother and parents. In the beginning when we arrived in Thailand we suffered many difficulties, we do not want to be suffering like poor people and we tried to work hard and sent money back to our parents regularly, we were happy so much for that.

But now our hopes are broken. We are worried about our parents, who will support them, and we miss our parents every day, when we miss them we are crying. When we go to bed we pray for all people and creatures in the world to have safety, peace, good health and happiness. Please also pray for us to be released from this case.

A May Suu, please have pity on us.
Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin”
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The truth is we are not really involved in this case.

We think the killer went to another country already.

We think it is injustice that we are in the jail.
loool.... not really involved, we think the killer...

hahahaha... we think its injustice, that we are in jail...

aaaaaaaaaaahhahaha...
didn't I have a blog somewhere ?
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yo, its a translation, but... ahahaha... that's the find of the year now...
twice 'think' for what they say then... nope, that's clear really... cant be translation prob...

the source would have been nice... :roll:
but otherwise, one good posting for a change...
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So was the much-touted DNA evidence the Thai investigators supposedly gathered a complete fabrication or was the handling/testing was so botched as to make identification impossible? Or are the alleged perps saying they stumbled upon the already dead bodies and took liberties with the corpses, thus attempting to explain their DNA in the poor victim while claiming innocence of murder?
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feel free to post it on ur worthless blog ( talk about a one trick pony)

http://www.samuitimes.com/letter-two-ac ... racy-icon/
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