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Ho no I wrote a perfectly good answer and is was erased :please:

1 OD if you know what you want, that the shop know what you want , why not have them deliver it to you ? You save time and fuel.

2 All the app you are speaking about are out of reach know technically.

3 Hololens seems good but it can only be tried in a VERY controlled environment, in those condition kinetec look very good. Only VR has been released to the public so far so we know limit and defect. With AR not so true

4 VR can do AR but AR cannot do VR.

5 VR is being used a lot for developing teaching app.

Personnaly once we have a correct definition (hopefully with the new version) I would love an app that let met simulate several screen, control the size and shape.

Working with one main screen in front, several on the side, up and down would be so practical.
I usually work with word excell and image editing application open at the same time. Being able to see them all at one only by turning the head would be very appreciated.

I supposed that it would be the same for programming, text editing and such.

Very easy to do in VR I supposed, but so far all the app let you only have ONE lousy screen.
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1. Because these delivery services aren't very effective yet. I've tried them a few times, and they're a bit shitty even when they're offered. No to mention, supermarkets were just an example... hardware stores, clothing shops, etc. Any major branded chain with planogram based product placement.

2. Not really... there are several working models on mobile platforms already, they just all use a bulky carry around phone/tablet instead of something wearable in line of sight.
Layar/Aurasma (sort of, they focus on adding extra content to print ads and posters... but can be correlated to product package fronts as well using the same tech)
iOnRoad does the on-road navigation.
Wikitude/Cyclopedia are both coming along quite well at merging location with image recognition to create interactive reality that could be reasonably tweaked to the in-store experience.

Of course for in-store the experience gets even better if the store adds in some local triangulation systems that the software can link with... uncommon and pricey, but for something like a huge vegas convention center/etc completely worth the expense to create an upgraded offering to their event vendors.
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So you take an app who already exist and just transpose it on anther device ?
Not really what I would call a revolution or being creative.

VR (and AR when it become available) have more potential than doing the same thing in a slightly different way.

Multiple screen system I would buy and use for work and fun.

Just to go back to my original point, if you think about developing in VR you have a wide window presently.

1 you can buy the material know, DK2 admittedly and not the commercial version but that enough for experimenting new concepts.
2 Almost all the dev working on the DK2 are concentrating on game. The one looking at other things like desktop application are doing so with a narrow mind ( how many app for a giant screen can you have) .
3 Penetration of the equipment will be important, individual like me will buy because they are interested in VR, hotel, game center will buy because it is not that expensive especially if you can rent it. Various professional will buy as a work tool. I know that already architect are using VR, house designer also. Many other profession are already working with 3D content and would benefit in being able to see this 3D content in real 3D.

For me (but I am not a programmer) the obvious thing to work on is a desktop, as it will be the common denominator for all the use. So fare as I know nobody working on this.

I was quite happy when Palmer the founder of oculus said in an interview that expect for gaming there was no serious development going on on VR and that it was kind of sad as VR and AR was not aiming at a primary game use (but the fact that facebook and google invest so much on it indicate that gaming is not what they have in mind) . He specifically spoke of the desktop application and the fact that all what he saw for now limit the use of VR at ' a giant screen in front of you".
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OrangeDragon wrote:Overall it stood to do well, but its price point made it absurd..
I believe it was society's reaction to glass-holes that was most telling. I don't accept people taking my photo without asking, I sure as heck won't allow them to video me with an iProduct without asking. Those reports you hear about glass-holes being punched in the face? I'd be in on that.
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You can predict that it will evovle like the phone.
Some state make it an obligation to have a snapping sound when taking a picture with a phone and it seems that now every phone does it. I suppose that it can be suppress and I do not know if there is some penalty if they catch you with a "silenced phone",
It seems that it is working as there is few complain about people potentially taking other in picture without their consent.
With holo lens, google glass and such they will probably have a light indicating that the recording mode is on, end of story.
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ryoon wrote:So you take an app who already exist and just transpose it on anther device ?
Not really what I would call a revolution or being creative.
Your a nutter if that's all you see it as doing...
StroppyChops wrote:
OrangeDragon wrote:Overall it stood to do well, but its price point made it absurd..
I believe it was society's reaction to glass-holes that was most telling. I don't accept people taking my photo without asking, I sure as heck won't allow them to video me with an iProduct without asking. Those reports you hear about glass-holes being punched in the face? I'd be in on that.
Eh, people bitch about smart phone users in restaurants as well. We still use them. As for the " I don't accept people taking my photo without asking"... people do it all the time. Maybe you notice, maybe not, you walk down street littered with security cameras, your in backgrounds of photos, etc. At least with glass there's a verbal command you can notice.

http://www.gizmag.com/mirrorcase-iphone/25515/
Me: So how do you know you're getting the right shot?
Him: Well you look down at the screen here.
Me: And how is this different from holding your phone up and looking at the back of it, again?
Him: Well, you look like you're doing something else. Especially when you put another image on it as a "Privacy Screen."
Me: And why would you want to do that?
Him: Well, some people don't like having photos taken of them.
Me: Like hot girls in front of you in the McDonalds queue?
Him: No!
Me: Or hot girls going up the stairs in front of you?
Him: No, not like that at all! It's for the Instagram generation! People who want to document their life in photos!
Me: Crappy mobile phone photos of things they don't want people to know they're taking photos of.
Him: Exactly! Have you heard of the Observer Effect in physics? It says you can't observe a situation without changing it. Anyone with a camera knows what that's like! As soon as you hold the camera up, people behave differently!
Me: Like how?
Him: Well, sometimes they slap you.
Me: Thanks for talking with us.
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OK so to make it simple

THERE IS NOT AR SOLUTION TO DEVELOP ON PRESENTLY.
Both google and Microsoft project are under lock and no developer kit is available. Concerning the hololens it was even one of the critic express. If the developer can not lay there hands on it there will be close to zero application when it is released. A mistake that apparently historically Microsoft tend to do.
Nobody tried the prototypes outside of very controlled demo so we have currently no idea of what each of those solution can do.
Apart speculation and a wish list of application can not do anything.

You can work on VR with :

- your phone solution, knowing that people equipped with the note 4 and the helmet going with it (design by oculus team and so fare considered as the gold standard) who also own an oculus will tell you that it is not the same "dimension" at all. The difference will increase significantly when the commercial version came out. The commercial version will be like the phone plug and play (not the case now) and will have solid application. Game manufacturer are already starting to build game oculus compatible from the start ( like alien isolation) . Application with a huge potential like 3D movie are also out for the phone ( A small 4 or 5 minute movie take 1.15 giga , try to stoke a movie on a phone or to stream, not impossible but not practical.
- An oculus kit : this will not be the exact same thing as the commercial version but at least it allow you to have a close enough approximation.

Developing for phone is not a dead market, it is not stupid, just saying that it is not were the action will take place when commercial version of VR hit the shelf in 6 to 9 month.

End of the discussion for me on this thread. You a reasonable adults (even if you source of information seems relatively weak for a professional, no offence but I would not satisfy myself on newsguy analysis whatever the subject) and I have already given my opinion. If you are interested in the subject of phone VR enough to develop on it you should have a look at oculus forum they have a section for this.

You can also open a post to explain why you think that phone are the futur and oculus, HTC and such will stay a nich market for some time. I am not a professional on the VR field but many on the forum are. I would follow the thread with interest.
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ryoon wrote:end of story.
Hardly.
OrangeDragon wrote:Eh, people bitch about smart phone users in restaurants as well. We still use them. As for the " I don't accept people taking my photo without asking"... people do it all the time.
Sure, and if they take mine or Mrs Stroppy's without asking, they'll be politely told not to, and if they continue their phone will be suddenly removed from them. Neither of us are shy about getting up in people's faces about this. "Doing it all the time" does not equate to it being acceptable. The easy thing about glass-holes is that you can immediately tell from what they're wearing that they actually deserve a punch in the face.
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ryoon wrote:OK so to make it simple

THERE IS NOT AR SOLUTION TO DEVELOP ON PRESENTLY.
Both google and Microsoft project are under lock and no developer kit is available.
You're really bad at having valid information...
https://developers.google.com/glass/develop/gdk/
And coming soon:
https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-hol ... developers

Maybe you should stop getting all of your information from a fanboy forum...
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OrangeDragon wrote:Eh, people bitch about smart phone users in restaurants as well. We still use them. As for the " I don't accept people taking my photo without asking"... people do it all the time.
Sure, and if they take mine or Mrs Stroppy's without asking, they'll be politely told not to, and if they continue their phone will be suddenly removed from them. Neither of us are shy about getting up in people's faces about this. "Doing it all the time" does not equate to it being acceptable. The easy thing about glass-holes is that you can immediately tell from what they're wearing that they actually deserve a punch in the face.
And you'd be violating laws in the process. And just because someone has a camera, doesn't mean they're using it. Populist hype crap. They could simply be deaf and using the visual heads up to translate sounds to text to make their world a better place to live in (a perfect example of how these things can better the world), but you decided since they have it on they should be beaten.
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OrangeDragon wrote:
StroppyChops wrote:
OrangeDragon wrote:Eh, people bitch about smart phone users in restaurants as well. We still use them. As for the " I don't accept people taking my photo without asking"... people do it all the time.
Sure, and if they take mine or Mrs Stroppy's without asking, they'll be politely told not to, and if they continue their phone will be suddenly removed from them. Neither of us are shy about getting up in people's faces about this. "Doing it all the time" does not equate to it being acceptable. The easy thing about glass-holes is that you can immediately tell from what they're wearing that they actually deserve a punch in the face.
And you'd be violating laws in the process. And just because someone has a camera, doesn't mean they're using it. Populist hype crap. They could simply be deaf and using the visual heads up to translate sounds to text to make their world a better place to live in (a perfect example of how these things can better the world), but you decided since they have it on they should be beaten.
Well there's certainly some crap but most of it seems to be coming from you restating the premise such that you can not only be right, but be the only one who is right. I know you get sick of hearing it (and even stop posting for a while when it's stated too often), but this is old territory for you.

We were talking specifically about people using cameras to video strangers without their express permission, and I gave my perspective and how I respond to it. You've reworded my perspective, and given some other alternate reality version so that you can continue being the only right person in the discussion.

I was specific about not permitting people to photograph or video me in public without asking - and you turned it into some sob about deaf people ("ooh, Stroppy hates deaf people"), or folk who just happen to have their camera with them ("look how unreasonable he is. By default, I am right, I win the Internet for all time")
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