Strangely enough to the novice, MMA/UFC has almost **0** deaths due to fighting, in the 20 or so years of existence, EVEN WITH no weight classes in the early years.

I say almost **0**, because one fighter may have died after a fight, but probably due to dehydration/cutting as opposed to taking blows to the head repeatedly.

Despite MMA's animalistic appearance, it's safer then boxing by a longshot. May have to do with many headshots in boxing, and a wide range of attacks in MMA (arm bars, leg locks, chokes, etc.) Why more deaths nowadays in boxing? Maybe, better training techniques and therefore higher accuracy and power? Hard to say.

About MMA, believe it, MMA is as dangerous as basketball when it comes to deaths. The NBA gets a few dead guys from heart attacks now and again, but none from on court injuries. Same (pretty much) as in MMA.

TristranandIsolde wrote:Strangely enough to the novice, MMA/UFC has almost **0** deaths due to fighting, in the 20 or so years of existence, EVEN WITH no weight classes in the early years.

I say almost **0**, because one fighter may have died after a fight, but probably due to dehydration/cutting as opposed to taking blows to the head repeatedly.

Despite MMA's animalistic appearance, it's safer then boxing by a longshot. May have to do with many headshots in boxing, and a wide range of attacks in MMA (arm bars, leg locks, chokes, etc.) Why more deaths nowadays in boxing? Maybe, better training techniques and therefore higher accuracy and power? Hard to say.

About MMA, believe it, MMA is as dangerous as basketball when it comes to deaths. The NBA gets a few dead guys from heart attacks now and again, but none from on court injuries. Same (pretty much) as in MMA.

Telesales what you talking about? At least do some research before spouting bullshit

in MMA there have been at least 13 recorded Deaths
4 sanctioned Deaths (Sam Vasquez, Michael Kirkham, Tyrone Mims, Booto Guylain)
and
9 unsanctioned Deaths (Alfredo Castro Herrera, Douglas Dedge, Lee, Mike Mittelmeier, Dustin Jenson, Felix Pablo Elochukwu, Ramin Zeynalov, Jameston Lee-Yaw, João Carvalho)

for those not sure what is meant by Sanctioned/Unsanctioned.... Organisations like UFC/Pride are Sanctioning bodies, the same as the like of WBC/WBO/IBO/WBA in Boxing etc etc..

in boxing there have been 923 recorded deaths between 1890-2007, not sure of what the latest figures are, or the figures before that period

these are just recorded figures, im sure there are many more from unsanctioned events that go un-reported/recorded

MMA is as Dangerous as basketball?

B.S? Learn to do math between your head shots.

Let's say the number has gone up to 4. Unsanctioned fights don't count, since they are just a step up from cowboy backyard brawls. Under-regulated, with bad results as you can see.

My point is, most deaths are not due to strikes or uncontrolled aggression in MMA, it's from dehydration/people cutting weight, then trying to fight.

Let's say 4 (recent) deaths in 25 years (I know that since the early 15 years had ZERO deaths). That's about 0.16 deaths per year. How many for boxing? About 8-10 deaths per year for boxing? That's 50x more deaths in boxing than MMA.

Boxing is a deadly sport, and their are only 2 targets in boxing: the head and the body.

In MMA, fights end with attacks to the arm, shoulder, neck, head, leg, ankle, even the waist. Far less dangerous than constant head attacks.

Jamie_Lambo wrote:

TristranandIsolde wrote:Strangely enough to the novice, MMA/UFC has almost **0** deaths due to fighting, in the 20 or so years of existence, EVEN WITH no weight classes in the early years.

I say almost **0**, because one fighter may have died after a fight, but probably due to dehydration/cutting as opposed to taking blows to the head repeatedly.

Despite MMA's animalistic appearance, it's safer then boxing by a longshot. May have to do with many headshots in boxing, and a wide range of attacks in MMA (arm bars, leg locks, chokes, etc.) Why more deaths nowadays in boxing? Maybe, better training techniques and therefore higher accuracy and power? Hard to say.

About MMA, believe it, MMA is as dangerous as basketball when it comes to deaths. The NBA gets a few dead guys from heart attacks now and again, but none from on court injuries. Same (pretty much) as in MMA.

Telesales what you talking about? At least do some research before spouting bullshit

in MMA there have been at least 13 recorded Deaths
4 sanctioned Deaths (Sam Vasquez, Michael Kirkham, Tyrone Mims, Booto Guylain)
and
9 unsanctioned Deaths (Alfredo Castro Herrera, Douglas Dedge, Lee, Mike Mittelmeier, Dustin Jenson, Felix Pablo Elochukwu, Ramin Zeynalov, Jameston Lee-Yaw, João Carvalho)

for those not sure what is meant by Sanctioned/Unsanctioned.... Organisations like UFC/Pride are Sanctioning bodies, the same as the like of WBC/WBO/IBO/WBA in Boxing etc etc..

in boxing there have been 923 recorded deaths between 1890-2007, not sure of what the latest figures are, or the figures before that period

these are just recorded figures, im sure there are many more from unsanctioned events that go un-reported/recorded

MMA is as Dangerous as basketball?

Jamie, haven't you learned yet that teletubby is an expert in absolutely everything?!

It's TristranandIsolde, I haven't used any of those names since K440 got their act together, early on they were banning everybody.

I know there are strident Americans here, some call them rednecks, but I'm not one of them. Each to their own opinion, as long as they can back it up.

Not right about EVERYTHING ... I can miss the mark on occasion, say, 4 deaths instead of 1 in MMA. But really, I have to call B.S./misinformation/biased info when I see it.

Balanced messages are the best, mentioning both good and bad. When I hear Jock Jock ranting, "All bad! All bad!" - you know he's spouting B.S.

It's just some disgruntled people trying to paint everything black or white .

I guess here I'm a genius, but really, that's not saying much. I'd say Frank Lee Bent is much smarter than I am in his respective fields, and General Mack is quite enterprising for such a young guy.

And I never said I was specwar, just a veteran. What you infer from my speech and movements is all in your head.

TristranandIsolde wrote:B.S? Learn to do math between your head shots.

Let's say the number has gone up to 4. Unsanctioned fights don't count, since they are just a step up from cowboy backyard brawls. Under-regulated, with bad results as you can see.

My point is, most deaths are not due to strikes or uncontrolled aggression in MMA, it's from dehydration/people cutting weight, then trying to fight.

Let's say 4 (recent) deaths in 25 years (I know that since the early 15 years had ZERO deaths). That's about 0.16 deaths per year. How many for boxing? About 8-10 deaths per year for boxing? That's 50x more deaths in boxing than MMA.

Boxing is a deadly sport, and their are only 2 targets in boxing: the head and the body.

In MMA, fights end with attacks to the arm, shoulder, neck, head, leg, ankle, even the waist. Far less dangerous than constant head attacks.

who are you to say whether unsanctioned fights count or not? How many have you been to or fought on? i would love to hear your experience

you claiming MMA is just as dangerous as Basketball just proves your ignorance of the sport...

whether its Boxing or MMA, its not a game, you dont play boxing...

with boxing or mma its not the deaths you want to be looking at,

you should do some research of Dementia Pugilistica

"with boxing or mma its not the deaths you want to be looking at,
you should do some research of Dementia Pugilistica."

When a dogmatist is headed in the wrong direction, he generally doesn't like to be told to turn around. I doubt he has heard of the "roper doper" and the great boxer who succumbed to brain damage because of it. We know you for the fun loving and straight talking man you are. Ignore him, he'll never go away.

Dementia is a whole other issue. I was talking about deaths.

If you fight in unsanctioned fights, you have less regulation, etc. More deaths are bound to happen, in BOTH SPORTS, and you didn't have the numbers for deaths in unsanctioned boxing matches.

MMA is dangerous, no doubt. But not deadly, with a decent ref in the ring.

Boxing is far more deadly and I'm sure has much more dementia because of the many headshots.

A fighter is brave, no doubt, but doesn't make you a statistician on fighting.

Deaths in MMA - not a huge worry, mostly just dehydration. Gloves, mouth guard, a ref, defensive techniques, and 8 more targets to protect. Head shots happen, but it's not constant battering (for long that is, haha).

Deaths in jiu-jitsu/judo? Not many. Mixed with striking arts, the figure is comparatively low to boxing.

How many MMA guys do you know who died? I don't hear of many.

Just saying ... In MMA, you can go all out. In boxing, better be good at moving!