2023 had 4,916,064 foreigners or 1.86 million foreigners

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2023 had 4,916,064 foreigners or 1.86 million foreigners

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Per the Phnom Penh Post Cambodia had 4,916,064 foreigners in 2023

https://phnompenhpost.com/business/avia ... nges-in-23

Whereas per Nikkei Cambodia had 1.86 million foreigners in 2023

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transp ... y-dries-up

I wonder which figure is accurate and which is fake news
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Can anyone breakdown this math from the PPP?

“ According to a report by the State Secretariat of Civil Aviation (SSCA), the country welcomed 5,111,810 air passengers in 2023, more than doubling the 2022 figure of 1,407,972, comprising 1,957,600 Cambodians and 4,916,064 foreigners.”

Math might not be their strong point
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I hope they run out of other people money for the new PP airport and the whole project grinds to a halt. Heaven forfend they spend their own money.
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SiemReapLOL wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:57 am Can anyone breakdown this math from the PPP?

“ According to a report by the State Secretariat of Civil Aviation (SSCA), the country welcomed 5,111,810 air passengers in 2023, more than doubling the 2022 figure of 1,407,972, comprising 1,957,600 Cambodians and 4,916,064 foreigners.”

Math might not be their strong point
Just a few random thoughts spring to mind from these figures-
Accuracy of records keeping along with the clash in different counting systems- they may have just got the figure for Cambodians wrong by a factor of ten.
That in itself might be quite an important number- it might mean that less than 200,000 rather than nearly 2 million Khmer travelled by air internationally, last year.

Someone may also be adding an extra zero to make the numbers look more impressive, what with the investment in new airports. London Gatwick, a single runway airport, handled about 4 times the number of passengers in 2022.
The investment in airports when measured against these traffic figures might leave a big empty hole in someone’s accounting.

Phnom Penh’s current airport allegedly demands quite high fees of anyone operating there, but it’s more than capable of handling the passenger numbers above. Did the planning envisage these new airports being transit hubs, like Changi, KL, Bangkok-BKK? If so, and the thinking doesn’t change, this might be some expensive, underutilised infrastructure.
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SiemReapLOL wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:57 am Can anyone breakdown this math from the PPP?

“ According to a report by the State Secretariat of Civil Aviation (SSCA), the country welcomed 5,111,810 air passengers in 2023, more than doubling the 2022 figure of 1,407,972, comprising 1,957,600 Cambodians and 4,916,064 foreigners.”

Math might not be their strong point
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more than doubling the 2022...


More than tripling.

Didn't read. Bit busy doing anything else, but could factoring in Khmericans help?

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What's interesting is that only 800k visiting foreign tourists (this distinction is important, since APSARA usually amalgamates both domestic and foreign tourists together, but only the latter pays for entry fees) to Cambodia ever actually went to Angkor Wat, belying the theory that most people come here for temple sightseeing, when they probably prefer gambling or never leaving their Koh Rong beach resort.
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And this article says “In 2023, Cambodia received 5.45 million international tourists“

https://cambodianess.com/article/foreig ... stinations

Three different newspapers, on the same date, publish articles with wildly different figures. A whole lot of fake news in the kingdom of wonder.

Meanwhile how is the guesthouse and hotel market in Siem reap? How are those condo blocks in sihanoukville doing?
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I believe Nikkei is correct. At least Ministry of Tourism reports same figure and Cambodia Airports numbers are in line (Jan-Sep 23) with those numbers as well.

And Cambodianess figure is correct also, as that was the overall international arrivals over land border+ sea + air. Phnom Penh Post is clueless once again.
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HaifongWangchuck wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:06 pm What's interesting is that only 800k visiting foreign tourists (this distinction is important, since APSARA usually amalgamates both domestic and foreign tourists together, but only the latter pays for entry fees) to Cambodia ever actually went to Angkor Wat, belying the theory that most people come here for temple sightseeing, when they probably prefer gambling or never leaving their Koh Rong beach resort.
A good chunk of arrivals by foreign passport holders won't be tourists. I arrived 5 times last year and there must be a lot of non-tourism arrivals seeing how many of the factories here are now Chinese-run.

I've still yet to see the current PNH airport anything like what I would describe as busy.
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Bluenose wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:26 am
HaifongWangchuck wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:06 pm What's interesting is that only 800k visiting foreign tourists (this distinction is important, since APSARA usually amalgamates both domestic and foreign tourists together, but only the latter pays for entry fees) to Cambodia ever actually went to Angkor Wat, belying the theory that most people come here for temple sightseeing, when they probably prefer gambling or never leaving their Koh Rong beach resort.
A good chunk of arrivals by foreign passport holders won't be tourists. I arrived 5 times last year and there must be a lot of non-tourism arrivals seeing how many of the factories here are now Chinese-run.

I've still yet to see the current PNH airport anything like what I would describe as busy.
why do u say ur not a tourist? do u hold a Cambodian passport?
in all these number of arrivals, do they separate tourist visa, extension, B visas? I have not seen that so they must not
if not ur classified as a tourist even if u enter on a 1 year extension>

Vietnamese. no idea why they go to Cambodia, visit relatives??
Thais.. gamble
neither buys much as both countries offer better selections of most goods at a cheaper price
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