Survivors of Kissinger’s Secret War in Cambodia
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You've got it back to front. The US and various others were just a tool for Kissinger. He suggested the bombings, he was responsible. Don't try and defend war criminals who should have known better, especially as he had seen war criminals up close in Nazi Germany and in Italy and Spain.newsgatherer wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:41 amKissinger was just a tool in the hands of the establishment and he hated Nazis and commies as much as anyone who knew Germany as a Jew during Hitler's reign.
He knew exactly what he was doing.
Defending him is indefensible.
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I don't think either system is a great one, tbh, look at the state of several 'democratic' western/ NATO countries today (it may soon be illegal to protest in the UK), as well as several 'communist' countries.Stravaiger wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:06 amYeah, China is so lovely now.newsgatherer wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:41 am Fortunately, communism could not stand the test of time, because China is more capitalist today than it has ever been in recent history.
Two old comrades discuss the fall of the Soviet Union:
It's terrible, says one, Everything they told us about Communism was a lie.
And what's worse, says his friend, Everything they told us about Capitalism was true.
Maybe somewhere combining the best elements of both could work.
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Yes, Capitalism for the market in consumer products, the companies punitively taxed to fund free healthcare and education for all is surely an entry level requirement to be a 'first world' country.
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I put the ugly little German higher than that chic hipster cook from New York who thought he was going to save the world. You act like you're sitting in the room, you have access to all the tapes. The order came from Nixon, and this order is based on various discussions around mahogany dinner tables in the Hamptons. If you think it's all so simple to blame it on the naughty German, you're not much better off than the rather naive Anthony Bourdain.schlarry wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:01 am
You've got it back to front. The US and various others were just a tool for Kissinger. He suggested the bombings, he was responsible. Don't try and defend war criminals who should have known better, especially as he had seen war criminals up close in Nazi Germany and in Italy and Spain.
He knew exactly what he was doing.
Defending him is indefensible.
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A hybrid system works for Scandinavia, the other options such as unrestrained capitalism, practiced by UK, US, France et al are having serious social and economic problemsStravaiger wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:08 amYes, Capitalism for the market in consumer products, the companies punitively taxed to fund free healthcare and education for all is surely an entry level requirement to be a 'first world' country.
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The idea came from Kissinger. He is directly responsible for the deaths of close to 3 million people.newsgatherer wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:57 amThe order came from Nixon, and this order is based on various discussions around mahogany dinner tables in the Hamptons. If you think it's all so simple to blame it on the naughty German, you're not much better off than the rather naive Anthony Bourdain.
The order came from Nixon simply because as President, only he could give that order. The power structure simply wouldn't allow Kissinger to do it.
Many, many human rights organisations have condemned Kissinger and called for his prosecution. Are they all misinformed? Maybe you should educate them?
Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, East Timor, Bangladesh, civil wars in South Africa, et al. The list of dictators befriended by Kissinger is also long: Suharto, Putin, Khomeini, Zhou Enlai
This is an impartial read, it recognizes that Hitchens rambles and obviously hates Kissinger, but it also recognizes the facts. https://www.hrw.org/legacy/community/bo ... tchens.htm
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I listened to his book "On China" and was never able to finish it. One of the most boring books I have ever listened to.
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Stench of nazi commies and linux hell here. Time to call in the B-52's again, set things straight. Go talk with vietnamese families in the US, all the ones who had to leave their property behind to the northerners, good luck with that.
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