RICHARD KIDDLE, Norfolk man, is in critical condition in Cambodian Hospital

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Re: RICHARD KINDLE, Norfolk man, is in critical condition in Cambodian Hospital

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Kuroneko wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:21 am
armchairlawyer wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:01 am
Anchor Moy wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:56 am Condolences. What a nightmare for the family.
Cambodia is no place to get sick for anyone, and, no reflection on this present case, but older expats need to have good health insurance which includes medi-vac, or else be prepared to end their days in Cambodia. Some people prefer this, especially if they have Cambodian family and little or no ties elsewhere.
All the best.
I think you're being unfair to the Cambodian medical profession. If it's not something unusual or requiring highly specialist therapy, the expat will usually get reasonable treatment here.
Many people, expats and locals, are successfully treated for strokes here.
Exactly right, I have posted numerous comments outlining the very good health care available here. It is important to target the best centres as there are some centres that are best avoided.
I have two cases of what hospital treatment is here in Cambodia, my late partner and myself. For myself the European doctor told me to go get treatment in my own country.
Has for my late partner we knew she had a terminal illness, so the outcome was very clear, but even so the doctors should have had a consideration and care so she could be comfortable in her last days, but they only have the “So what” attitude.
Let’s face it being a western person being sick, and hospitalized such has the unfortunate gentleman in this thread, insurance void, and too ill to travel. I hope for his welfare and the efforts of the family.

It was only last week that the Cambodian government announced that the Kingdom needed 30,000 qualified doctors. Let’s hope they do have trained medical staff because I have my doubts about the many of the trained skilled doctors in hospitals here.
It’s a fact that the Cambodians don’t trust their own doctors and hospitals, many government hospitals have the poorer people with their families beside them, lining the corridors of these establishment’s, just in hope they may get treatment. The ones who are better off will choose anywhere out of the country, if possible, for hospital treatment.
So, the very good health care available here! Where is that exactly?

I think you two live in a delusional state of judgment.

I will give you two of the main examples and experience I came across, firstly, government hospitals charge approximately $75 per day for the bed, oxygen and catheter, the doctors administrator intervenes drugs, you change drips and take care of the patient’s general welfare.
Secondly, one of the top liver specialists, and expensive treatment approximately cost $700 for draining fluid from the liver and medication, private room for the day. But it is again the “so what” attitude when they transmitted HIV to my late partner.
Always "hope" but never "expect".
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Re: RICHARD KINDLE, Norfolk man, is in critical condition in Cambodian Hospital

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Kuroneko wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:21 am
armchairlawyer wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:01 am
Anchor Moy wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:56 am Condolences. What a nightmare for the family.
Cambodia is no place to get sick for anyone, and, no reflection on this present case, but older expats need to have good health insurance which includes medi-vac, or else be prepared to end their days in Cambodia. Some people prefer this, especially if they have Cambodian family and little or no ties elsewhere.
All the best.
I think you're being unfair to the Cambodian medical profession. If it's not something unusual or requiring highly specialist therapy, the expat will usually get reasonable treatment here.
Many people, expats and locals, are successfully treated for strokes here.
Exactly right, I have posted numerous comments outlining the very good health care available here. It is important to target the best centres as there are some centres that are best avoided.
While that's true, when you have a sudden serious condition you're not in the position to assess several centers and then decide which one might be best for you. In the best case someone, or an ambulance, takes you to one of them and then you're at heir mercy.
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Re: RICHARD KINDLE, Norfolk man, is in critical condition in Cambodian Hospital

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Kammekor wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 3:40 pm
Kuroneko wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:21 am
armchairlawyer wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:01 am
Anchor Moy wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:56 am Condolences. What a nightmare for the family.
Cambodia is no place to get sick for anyone, and, no reflection on this present case, but older expats need to have good health insurance which includes medi-vac, or else be prepared to end their days in Cambodia. Some people prefer this, especially if they have Cambodian family and little or no ties elsewhere.
All the best.
I think you're being unfair to the Cambodian medical profession. If it's not something unusual or requiring highly specialist therapy, the expat will usually get reasonable treatment here.
Many people, expats and locals, are successfully treated for strokes here.
Exactly right, I have posted numerous comments outlining the very good health care available here. It is important to target the best centres as there are some centres that are best avoided.
While that's true, when you have a sudden serious condition you're not in the position to assess several centers and then decide which one might be best for you. In the best case someone, or an ambulance, takes you to one of them and then you're at heir mercy.
You are suggesting that when it comes to healthcare many people are not very proactive, unfortunately you are probably right. Personally most possible serious conditions are screened for by my regular doctor when I have my regular medical check up. In the event of of an unforseen incident I would either check in to my regular hospital or get them to send an ambulance for me.
When I suffered a fractured skull the result of being tail ended (yes I was wearing a helmet) I was "scraped off the road" and taken to Calmette, which is usual for road accidents. I then relocated to Central my regular hospital for them to monitor the resulting hematomas and administer required treatment.
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Re: RICHARD KINDLE, Norfolk man, is in critical condition in Cambodian Hospital

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Kuroneko wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 10:12 am
Kammekor wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 3:40 pm
Kuroneko wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:21 am
armchairlawyer wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:01 am
Anchor Moy wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:56 am Condolences. What a nightmare for the family.
Cambodia is no place to get sick for anyone, and, no reflection on this present case, but older expats need to have good health insurance which includes medi-vac, or else be prepared to end their days in Cambodia. Some people prefer this, especially if they have Cambodian family and little or no ties elsewhere.
All the best.
I think you're being unfair to the Cambodian medical profession. If it's not something unusual or requiring highly specialist therapy, the expat will usually get reasonable treatment here.
Many people, expats and locals, are successfully treated for strokes here.
Exactly right, I have posted numerous comments outlining the very good health care available here. It is important to target the best centres as there are some centres that are best avoided.
While that's true, when you have a sudden serious condition you're not in the position to assess several centers and then decide which one might be best for you. In the best case someone, or an ambulance, takes you to one of them and then you're at heir mercy.
You are suggesting that when it comes to healthcare many people are not very proactive, unfortunately you are probably right.
No, I am suggesting people are not always in the position to go to their place of choice, because they're incapacitated in one way or another and in that case you have to rely on the professionalism of the place they take you too.
Add to that it's unrealistic to assume every person knows which place is good for what condition. You've got the advantage of a background in healthcare with a network of local healthcare staff as a bonus. Most of use do not have that advantage.
In Cambodia you can't rely on the professionalism of the place they take you to. That makes healthcare in Cambodia a hit or miss gamble, with a lot of 'misses' in the game.
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Re: RICHARD KINDLE, Norfolk man, is in critical condition in Cambodian Hospital

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In the latest update, Tanya, [his daughter] who lives in Greece with her husband Andy, managed to speak to her dad yesterday (May 19) and he was able to give her a thumbs up as a bit of reassurance. He is still unable to speak as he is still on a ventilator. The hospital also made it possible for Richard to speak to his partner, Sreyven whom he has met since moving there two years ago.

The family now hope that with the progress Richard is making, they will be able to fly him home on a repatriation flight which will cost £24,000. When he eventually makes it back to the UK, he will be admitted to the stroke ward at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital to continue his treatment.

Tracey said: "I think what's happened has really shaken him up. His partner lives in Cambodia and that’s really sad because she doesn’t have a visa to come over here at the moment. I don’t know what his recovery is going to be like, there are so many unknowns. At the moment, his left side is still completely paralysed and he can’t really move so we just don’t know what it’s going to look like for him. But I think it’s going to be emotionally very difficult because he knows he wants to come back and he knows he needs to come back, but it’s hard because his whole life has changed."

If you would like to donate to their fundraising page, click here. The page has so far raised £12,515 in the five days it has been active, but they still have a way to go before they meet their target.
https://www.norfolklive.co.uk/news/norf ... ng-7108000
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UPDATE: Hopeful news

26 May 2022 by Heidi Kiddle, Organiser
⭐️✨We need to let all our donors know that because of your incredibly generous help and some additional offline help and loans from extended family, friends and colleagues we will finally be seeing dad on Monday at the N&N hospital.

Dad’s original route home was a seated economy escorted medical repatriation. After his sudden medical deterioration a few weeks back we thought only an air ambulance would be possible. However with his continued improvements and the amazing support we have received from all of you, we've now managed to get him medically cleared for a medical repatriation escorted (lie flat) business class flight. With his condition stabilising enough it means he can sit up for take off and landing and then lie down for the main flight.

This service includes dad being Stretchered onto the flight in Cambodia and stretchered off the flight at Heathrow the other end. He also has ambulance ground transportation to the the airport in Cambodia and then from Heathrow to the N&N.

We still have final hospital bills to pay but with continued support and help we're still gratefully receiving we hope to be able to cover those in full.

This has all been made possible by through your kind and generous donations and we cannot thank you enough for your support through this difficult time.

We cannot wait to finally meet dad at the Norfolk and Norwich hospital for the next stage of his recovery. Xx
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