Ivermectin for Coronavirus Treatment?

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Re: Ivermectin for Coronavirus Treatment?

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SternAAlbifrons wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:01 am Is still trading ivory in this day and age. Wants to reintroduce the death penalty in Cambodia, "Shoot on the spot" a mistreated elephant who kills somebody
Ahhhh, my long lost buddy that spent a 1 week vacation here years ago. But, sad truly, pretends that he lived and or lives here and knows Cambodia intimately. Your memory is slipping on a few things you mentioned above, but I'll let those slide. :) Your post is the only other one here that deserves my attention.
You'll be happy to know I have bids out on two different pieces of ivory antiques currently.
I know you are a tree hugging millennial. Since you lack in education on the subject of antique Chinese ivory and many areas truly, I'll take a moment. More than 50% of the Chinese antique ivory was mammoth. I thought I'd have fun in the past since you're gullible, but I'll come clean now. I only own mammoth ivory. But I suppose you feel that all historical era pieces of art and culture from bygone era's that don't fit into your politically correct millennial idealisms, should be thrown away? (That was rhetorical if you couldn't tell)

Even though I told you to shove your apology, I would accept it in person if you ever come back. You would need to return to Cambodia to spend your second week here first though. Think about it, seriously. It would help you update your knowledge of what this place is like now and to stay relevant. I know your status on ceo is important in your life.
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I could not double check my grammar, apologies. I already spent to much of my time reminiscing with an old..."friend".
Still here, in country...
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lol.
One week???
You can't seem to help spouting demonstrable false BS, Ravensnest. Do your research.
Take a look at some the photographs maybe.

I don't believe the "mammoth ivory" claim any more than you do. It is a lie.
Do your research again.
"PC millennial idealistic crap about the ivory trade" - that spells out what you really think about elephants in black and white.

Still recommending reintroducing the death penalty for Cambodia too?
Still recommending shooting on the spot that elephant that was successfully rehoused?
And still recommending Ivermectin. (oh no, forgot to research - again??)

PS, i don't believe the BS about "accepting, in person only" my previous offer of peace-making either - any more than i believe the mammoth ivory lie.

I know you are a tree hugging millennial. Since you lack in education on the subject of antique Chinese ivory and many areas truly, I'll take a moment. More than 50% of the Chinese antique ivory was mammoth. I thought I'd have fun in the past since you're gullible, but I'll come clean now. I only own mammoth ivory.

yeah right. lol, did you blush when you were writing that?
Like i said before, you brain is not to be trusted.

Nb, my standing on CEO means very little to me (at least in the grubby way you suggest)
- i would have thought that was quite obvious by the way i say all the politically-incorrect (in CEO terms) crap straight from the heart that i write every day.

Keep pushin' the ivory and the Ivermectum - and the BS
and if we ever do meet in Cambodia we can continue this "discussion" there. Maybe escalate it a couple of notches.
Until then **** ***.
:hattip:

(one final gift - "millennial" (thanks) i was trading ivory before you were born. 1974, first and last time
but at least i have the brains, heart and guts to blush about that youthful folly. There is NO excuse these days.
no imo. that is accepted law in most of the world, including for ALL ivory trade in Cambodia
Seriously, start doing your research or you may be caught out for being a just common criminal - not a cool smarty arty ivory and opium pipe connoisseur at all)
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NB. ^^^ is just my imo, of course.
and is not intended to trash other aspects of this CEO member.
I actually think some of his posts contribute in a positive way.
AND, of course, i must give credit to his gibbon vids and observations.


(i am a fuckwit too, at times. lol, we all are.
imo)
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For the love of God do NOT take medical advice from a fucking YouTube channel. Or from CEO for that matter…

Even the company that *makes* ivermectin and stands to gain the most from its use, says not to use it. The major study that first recommended it was unmasked as a giant fraud soon after. Of all the dumb shit that’s happened over the last few years the ivermectin misinformation one really is the most inexplicable to me.
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the problem is u have drs on one side saying....
drs on the other side saying....
who do you believe?
surely not not big Pharma

Claim: Ivermectin can cure Covid
This claim was made on an episode last year featuring Bret Weinstein, an American author and professor of biology, who said: "Ivermectin alone is capable of driving this pathogen to extinction."

BBC Reality Check looked at a series of research papers claiming to show the effectiveness of this drug in treating Covid.

Many were very low quality, and in some cases the data had been clearly manipulated.

If you look only at rigorously carried out studies, there is no evidence of the drug's effectiveness.

Campaigners often cherry-pick positive examples and ignore the fact that many countries which relied heavily on ivermectin, like Brazil and Peru, had some of the worst death tolls from the virus.

The world-leading experts on reviewing medical evidence, Cochrane, concluded based on just these reliable trials that there was "insufficient evidence" to recommend the drug.
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Final nail in the coffin for Ivermectin?

Major study confirms ivermectin useless against COVID-19

Comprehensive research has confirmed that the drug ivermectin, formerly touted by some as a wonder drug against COVID-19, has no medical benefit in treating the disease.

The TOGETHER study was a major worldwide project involving a series of clinical trials designed to test the effectiveness of a range of drugs against COVID-19.

Co-author Craig Rayner, a scientist at drug development company Certara, said the researchers conducted a double-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled trial of ivermectin involving 3515 COVID-19 patients at clinics in Brazil.

Dr Rayner said they found no clinical evidence that ivermectin had any effect on treating COVID-19 symptoms.

“We found that treatment with ivermectin did not reduce the need for medical admissions to hospital settings for COVID-19 patients,” he said.

“We examined it from multiple angles, multiple sub-group analyses, and ultimately, there is no suggestion of important clinical efficacy from ivermectin on COVID-19.”

Full: https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 5a9bp.html
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Clutch Cargo wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:54 pm Final nail in the coffin for Ivermectin?
No.
The problem is that in the case of out-of-patent drugs, there is no financial incentive for any drug company to do trials that will support it.
There is often an incentive for them to do trials that are slanted to produce a negative result. They also pour scorn on the clinician trials that get positive results. These trials are never so rigorous because clinicians have got better things to do with their time and just want to get the positive news that they have found out there.

That's how the game is played.
It doesn't mean that Ivermectin will eventually be proved effective but it certainly means that we don't yet know.

A recent article published in the BMJ explains this phenomenon. It is entitled "The illusion of evidence based medicine. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o702

Key findings:
Evidence based medicine has been corrupted by corporate interests, failed regulation, and commercialisation of academia.
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Seriously, does anyone know where I can buy some ivermectin? Because most of the pharmacists I have asked have not got any, due to people buying it in large quantities hoping to prevent covid19.
I remember saying some time ago about the drug when needed for what it was meant for would be unavailable.
The thing is I spent some time in the government hospital with my partner, and I ended up with scabies, luckily my partner did not. Apart from using creams from the hospital pharmacy, because even the city centers don't stock them, I am going fuoking crazy because I can't shift them. It's embarrassing and scratch itchy and I don't want to pass them on to anyone, so I am limited to go anywhere.
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Clutch Cargo wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:54 pm Final nail in the coffin for Ivermectin?

Major study confirms ivermectin useless against COVID-19

Comprehensive research has confirmed that the drug ivermectin, formerly touted by some as a wonder drug against COVID-19, has no medical benefit in treating the disease.

The TOGETHER study was a major worldwide project involving a series of clinical trials designed to test the effectiveness of a range of drugs against COVID-19.

Full: https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 5a9bp.html
NB The TOGETHER study is funded by charities and NOT pharmaceutical companies..

https://www.togethertrial.com/who-we-are
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