Do you support Ukraine or Russia?

nemo · Post by **nemo** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:19 pm

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:17 pm
John Bingham wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:08 pm
Big Daikon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:58 pm The US and NATO have had a hate on for post-Soviet Russia for awhile now. Putin is responding to a threat that has been on his radar for years. Does this justify Russia's actions? I am not sure.

The decontextualization of Putin's actions really irk me. He didn't just suddenly snap and attack the Ukraine.
How was he threatened? By neighboring countries putting defenses on their borders? Doesn't every country do that? I don't recall any of them invading the Russian Federation.
Well, sanctions from the US, for starters.

Speculating here, but I think Putin may have a longing for a stronger, more glorious Russian empire. Reclaiming the Ukraine (or sections of it) may be part of that.

Thanks for the brilliant insight.
I doubt he will stop at Ukraine.
I think he is highly likely to use nuclear weapons to try and cow Europe into accept him as Tsar.

Big Daikon · Post by **Big Daikon** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:26 pm

My boy Bernie agrees.

nemo · Post by **nemo** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:35 pm

Same line as America First.
Both are Putin simps that seek to damage the fight against him for political advantage

hdgh29 · Post by **hdgh29** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:37 pm

Kammekor wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:51 pm
nemo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:45 pm There is only one country on the attack here.
The majority of the world knows that.
Some people try to get away from the subject of Russia invading Ukraine by referring to past invasions.

Those past invasions do not justify this one.

It's a bit like a toddler being disciplined shouting 'but she did it too'.

No its not. Its a bit like smacking a toddler and saying violence never solved anything.

Big Daikon · Post by **Big Daikon** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:38 pm

nemo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:35 pm Same line as America First.
Both are Putin simps that seek to damage the fight against him for political advantage

Yes, there is some overlap.

hdgh29 · Post by **hdgh29** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:41 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:08 pm
Big Daikon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:58 pm The US and NATO have had a hate on for post-Soviet Russia for awhile now. Putin is responding to a threat that has been on his radar for years. Does this justify Russia's actions? I am not sure.

The decontextualization of Putin's actions really irk me. He didn't just suddenly snap and attack the Ukraine.
How was he threatened? By neighboring countries putting defenses on their borders? Doesn't every country do that? I don't recall any of them invading the Russian Federation.

Additional Military Assistance for Ukraine - State Department https://www.state.gov ›
2 days ago — "This brings the total military assistance the United States has committed to Ukraine over the past year to more than $1 billion."

nemo · Post by **nemo** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:56 pm

Big Daikon · Post by **Big Daikon** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:03 pm

And there's the Hitler reference.

Funny, both sides of this conflict accuse each other of being part of a political regime that was defeated in 1945.

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:12 pm

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:03 pm And there's the Hitler reference.

Funny, both sides of this conflict accuse each other of being part of a political regime that was defeated in 1945.

Now all we need is a Holocaust reference.

Think 'Ivan the Terrible' aka John Demjanjuk a Ukrainian who served as a Nazi camp guard.

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:17 pm

Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:09 pm

Makes me wonder how motivated and committed are Russian soldiers in this? Whilst Putin wants an invasion, is the army lock and step with that? And I gather the Ukrainians are much more committed...after all, it's their territory, freedom and national identity at stake..

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