phuketrichard wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:25 am
You left out the Beach boys.

"Pet sounds:" was a fantastic album> Yet few, outside of america, know of them of their importance in Pop music ( unless they were into cars and surfing in the 60's )

Much of the album was produced while the band was on tour in Japan using the cream of Los Angeles session musicians known as “The Wrecking Crew”.

xandreu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:11 pm I'm very impressed at the way they've made it look as if it was filmed using fairly modern camera equipment - I believe the term is that it's been digitised. If it weren't for the obvious 70's fashions of the era and the outdated recorded equipment, you could be forgiven for thinking it was filmed fairly recently.

I know that most people think of Lennon and McCartney as the main Beatles, but I've always found Ringo Star to be one of the more fascinating and underrated band members. Drum tracks often get overlooked in music and drummers have been likened to monkeys just randomly hitting things with sticks, as if it's the easiest job within a band, but a good drum section can really make or break a track and RIngo has always appeared to carry off some of the most iconic drum tracks with absolute ease. I saw somewhere that RIngo was the only band member who was never told or advised what to do by the other members. They had full faith in whatever he produced. If you think of some of the most iconic Beatles tracks - Strawberry fields, A Day in the life, Here comes the sun, it's the drum tracks that really carry the songs in my opinion.

I also like a band called Keane - their first album (Hopes and fears) remains one of my most favourite albums of all time. But in their second album, they sacked the drummer and decided to go with a drum machine instead. To the untrained ear, it was difficult to hear the difference, but you just know that something isn't right. There's no expression, no character, every beat has the same velocity and it was just awful. I haven't liked a single album of theirs since that first one and it's all down to their decision to replace a real life human drummer, capable of making every beat slightly different in it's individual expressiveness with effectively a synthesised robot who wouldn't understand musical character if it was placed with Apple Bionic A18 Drum Character super advanced processor.

You could say the same about Oasis. And many other bands. Good drummers never ever seem to get the recognition they deserve but if you analyse what makes a good track a good track, you will often see that it's the drums.

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:17 pm I'm not.
I loved that album ^^ but enduring 4 hours yawn of Frank Zappa live was the most boring event in my equally long long life.

He succumbed to arty-fartness i reckon.
- but he was so cool that nobody (incl me) was brave enough at the time, or discerning enough, to point out that emperor had long since lost his clothes.

AndyKK wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:57 pm

xandreu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:11 pm

I know that most people think of Lennon and McCartney as the main Beatles, but I've always found Ringo Star to be one of the more fascinating and underrated band members. Drum tracks often get overlooked in music and drummers have been likened to monkeys just randomly hitting things with sticks, as if it's the easiest job within a band, but a good drum section can really make or break a track and RIngo has always appeared to carry off some of the most iconic drum tracks with absolute ease. I saw somewhere that RIngo was the only band member who was never told or advised what to do by the other members. They had full faith in whatever he produced. If you think of some of the most iconic Beatles tracks - Strawberry fields, A Day in the life, Here comes the sun, it's the drum tracks that really carry the songs in my opinion.
You could say the same about Oasis. And many other bands. Good drummers never ever seem to get the recognition they deserve but if you analyse what makes a good track a good track, you will often see that it's the drums.

You left out one of the best, Phil Collins -