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38-line Road Construction in Siem Reap Almost 90 Percent Complete
AKP Phnom Penh, November 14, 2021 -- The construction of the 38 roads in Siem Reap provincial city has achieved 89.39 percent as of Nov. 10, according to a press release issued yesterday following the inspection visit to the construction site by the inter-ministerial commission in charge of the construction project.

The visit was led by Samdech Pichey Sena Tea Banh, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of National Defence and Chairman of the Inter-ministerial Commission.

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The construction project kicked off on Nov. 30, 2020 under the presidency of Prime Minister Samdech Akka Moha Sena Padei Techo HE and is scheduled to complete on Dec. 29, 2021.

The project will contribute to facilitating road traffic, upgrading the city’s beauty, attracting tourists and investors, and promoting sustainable economic growth, thus ensuring the development of Siem Reap city – a heritage, cultural, historical and world’s tourist attraction – into a core area of national development pole.

With a total length of 108.74 kilometres, the construction of the 38-line road infrastructure would cost some US$150 million of the national budget.
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Meanwhile, the rehabilitation-improvement project of Siem Reap river of some 9 kilometres long was 66 percent complete.
- AKP
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CEOCambodiaNews wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:40 pm 38-line Road Construction in Siem Reap Almost 90 Percent Complete
AKP Phnom Penh, November 14, 2021 -- The construction of the 38 roads in Siem Reap provincial city has achieved 89.39 percent as of Nov. 10, according to a press release issued yesterday following the inspection visit to the construction site by the inter-ministerial commission in charge of the construction project.

The visit was led by Samdech Pichey Sena Tea Banh, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of National Defence and Chairman of the Inter-ministerial Commission.

The construction project kicked off on Nov. 30, 2020 under the presidency of Prime Minister Samdech Akka Moha Sena Padei Techo HE and is scheduled to complete on Dec. 29, 2021.

The project will contribute to facilitating road traffic, upgrading the city’s beauty, attracting tourists and investors, and promoting sustainable economic growth, thus ensuring the development of Siem Reap city – a heritage, cultural, historical and world’s tourist attraction – into a core area of national development pole.

- AKP
December 29th? Are they having a laugh? I am around town almost every day, and if they say they can fix this mess in 6 weeks they must be planning to bring in a lot more men and machines, and someone who has some basic grasp of roadworks. As an example, these pics are of Sivatha Boulevard, a main artery that runs across the city centre, from the river to RD6. One of many 'construction sites'.
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Agreed, there's no way it will be done in 6 weeks. Although the pointy guys were out again in force on Saturday looking at the handful of almost completed roads and patting them selves on the back. It would seem they are oblivious to the shitshow elsewhere in town. I think there will still be things going on in a year.

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It would be good if they just got the parts that are 95% done finished and cleared up of mud. At least then some parts of the city would be quite pleasant. Trying to do everything simultaneously through the rainy season was pretty dumb.
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timmydownawell wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:20 am It would be good if they just got the parts that are 95% done finished and cleared up of mud. At least then some parts of the city would be quite pleasant. Trying to do everything simultaneously through the rainy season was pretty dumb.
We should call it the "Sihanoukville Special"
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The general trend on this forum seems to be, as far I can tell, that Cambodia should improve things. But when they do upgrade their infrastructure it's labeled "destroyed". It seems to me that there's a general consensus about complaining about things regardless on what side of that fence you're on.

Sihanoukville is a perfect example. I've been to that place a decade ago. I know exactly how it used to be. But sure, I can understand some criticism against it. There are a lot of casinos that have sprung up. But it's way more than that. There's a special economic zone that might have tremendous economic future for the country of Cambodia, potentially creating tens of thousands of jobs.

I've never personally lived in Cambodia. But I've lived in other poor countries. And while I do recognize that living in such countries benefit people that are better off due to lower living expenses. But you also have to be human. You have to want that these people improve their lives. Especially in a poor country such as Cambodia.
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donner-kruger wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:45 am The general trend on this forum seems to be, as far I can tell, that Cambodia should improve things. But when they do upgrade their infrastructure it's labeled "destroyed". It seems to me that there's a general consensus about complaining about things regardless on what side of that fence you're on.

Sihanoukville is a perfect example. I've been to that place a decade ago. I know exactly how it used to be. But sure, I can understand some criticism against it. There are a lot of casinos that have sprung up. But it's way more than that. There's a special economic zone that might have tremendous economic future for the country of Cambodia, potentially creating tens of thousands of jobs.

I've never personally lived in Cambodia. But I've lived in other poor countries. And while I do recognize that living in such countries benefit people that are better off due to lower living expenses. But you also have to be human. You have to want that these people improve their lives. Especially in a poor country such as Cambodia.
I accept your points, although as you say, you do not live here. The plan was to renovate 38 roads / streets around the city, and to renovate sewer systems and underground services. My main complaint was based on the fact that the local planners decided to do all 38 at the same time. They could have maybe done a smaller number, finish them, then move on to the next lot, but what ended up was a total war zone, like Hanoi after LBJs' Rolling Thunder. And to make it worse, it was done in the rainy season, so trenches dug one day were filled with water the next day, and huge potholes were hidden by puddles. Even today the streets of the town centre around the old market and pub street are practically impassable. Good on them for trying to improve the infrastructure, but a bit of common sense or planning might have saved the citizens a lot of inconvenience and mess.
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hdgh29 wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:13 am
donner-kruger wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:45 am The general trend on this forum seems to be, as far I can tell, that Cambodia should improve things. But when they do upgrade their infrastructure it's labeled "destroyed". It seems to me that there's a general consensus about complaining about things regardless on what side of that fence you're on.

Sihanoukville is a perfect example. I've been to that place a decade ago. I know exactly how it used to be. But sure, I can understand some criticism against it. There are a lot of casinos that have sprung up. But it's way more than that. There's a special economic zone that might have tremendous economic future for the country of Cambodia, potentially creating tens of thousands of jobs.

I've never personally lived in Cambodia. But I've lived in other poor countries. And while I do recognize that living in such countries benefit people that are better off due to lower living expenses. But you also have to be human. You have to want that these people improve their lives. Especially in a poor country such as Cambodia.
And to make it worse, it was done in the rainy season, so trenches dug one day were filled with water the next day, and huge potholes were hidden by puddles.
In addition, when it's dry, there is no or barely any dust control. This is a major health harzard to ppl living in the surrounding areas. Not trying to compare, only to point it out. All road works in the US, either in the city or highway, hardly notice any dust. Then again, this would make the operations cost a lot higher.
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donner-kruger wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:45 am The general trend on this forum seems to be, as far I can tell, that Cambodia should improve things. But when they do upgrade their infrastructure it's labeled "destroyed". It seems to me that there's a general consensus about complaining about things regardless on what side of that fence you're on.

Sihanoukville is a perfect example. I've been to that place a decade ago. I know exactly how it used to be. But sure, I can understand some criticism against it. There are a lot of casinos that have sprung up. But it's way more than that. There's a special economic zone that might have tremendous economic future for the country of Cambodia, potentially creating tens of thousands of jobs.

I've never personally lived in Cambodia. But I've lived in other poor countries. And while I do recognize that living in such countries benefit people that are better off due to lower living expenses. But you also have to be human. You have to want that these people improve their lives. Especially in a poor country such as Cambodia.
Sorry, but you have no idea what is happening in Cambodia and in particular, in Sihanoukville. You seem to think that we, the expat forum members are against "progress". Seriously, you have no idea about what is happening on the ground. It's not about being anti-Chinese or anti-progress.
You can not imagine the shit-fest in Sihanoukville if you haven't seen it. I haven't seen the roadworks in Siem Reap, but I can imagine that it is similar to Sihanoukville. Everything gets dug up to improve the infrastructure, which is great. Except that a lot of these works have dug up the roads and don't progress any further, so we are left with floods and mud. (Since last year.)
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Anchor Moy wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:36 am
donner-kruger wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:45 am The general trend on this forum seems to be, as far I can tell, that Cambodia should improve things. But when they do upgrade their infrastructure it's labeled "destroyed". It seems to me that there's a general consensus about complaining about things regardless on what side of that fence you're on.

Sihanoukville is a perfect example. I've been to that place a decade ago. I know exactly how it used to be. But sure, I can understand some criticism against it. There are a lot of casinos that have sprung up. But it's way more than that. There's a special economic zone that might have tremendous economic future for the country of Cambodia, potentially creating tens of thousands of jobs.

I've never personally lived in Cambodia. But I've lived in other poor countries. And while I do recognize that living in such countries benefit people that are better off due to lower living expenses. But you also have to be human. You have to want that these people improve their lives. Especially in a poor country such as Cambodia.
Sorry, but you have no idea what is happening in Cambodia and in particular, in Sihanoukville. You seem to think that we, the expat forum members are against "progress". Seriously, you have no idea about what is happening on the ground. It's not about being anti-Chinese or anti-progress.
You can not imagine the shit-fest in Sihanoukville if you haven't seen it. I haven't seen the roadworks in Siem Reap, but I can imagine that it is similar to Sihanoukville. Everything gets dug up to improve the infrastructure, which is great. Except that a lot of these works have dug up the roads and don't progress any further, so we are left with floods and mud. (Since last year.)
donner-kruger has a point. There are many people on this forum who obviously prefers things to stay same. Perhaps not directly against development but definately like the more "older" Cambodia.

Also you obviously haven't been in Sihanoukville since 2019 as their haven't been muddy roads since mid 2020 when the big road upgrade project was completed. Since then more projects announced and more smaller roads and bridges are being upgraded all the time but in much smaller scale that doesn't cause much dust/muddy roads or anything like that.
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