Exploitation of Khmer staff

flying chicken · Post by **flying chicken** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:20 pm

StroppyChops wrote:Our staff are paid well above minimum and even above average - while we take no personal income and are running at a steep loss for 12 months. Our initial aim is for the business to pay the Khmer wages and running costs, and eventually our rent, and then fund the free education program.

I guarantee that as soon as the business starts turning a dollar, we'll be accused by some Muppet somewhere of exploiting the locals, because we'll be 'benefiting' from social enterprise.

Sorry to hear about it. If I was to do it again I would have a stack wades of 20 dollars notes and hand it out to every person on the streets in Phnom penh. Or else buy myself a nice fishing boat catching tunas and sell it to the Japanese market.

MoodyMonkey · Post by **MoodyMonkey** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:07 pm

Lonestar wrote:I wonder if I paid my staff a western wage..........how many posters demanding "fairness" for Cambodians would be at my bar paying 4.00 for a beer.

I pay as much as I can and as much as this highly competitive market will bear............any more, and I will not have a business and they will not have a job.

I think that the inverse of that is the OP's point. If a place IS charging 'international' prices for their food and drink, and then creaming a huge amount off the savings on staff salaries, then surely it is a bit devious.

Digg3r · Post by **Digg3r** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:29 pm

Digg3r · Post by **Digg3r** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:31 pm

potty · Post by **potty** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:04 pm

Digg3r wrote:I remember with my place. I paid average and I paid way above average with top perks. It made no difference, still had lazy, thieving, lying, unreliable staff.

exactly.

it speaks entirely against any business owner to pay "above average" for no valid reason. the goal of any business is to make profit, and that's nothing "bad", not at all.

if then, after all profit and (new) investments anything is left, you can consider paying it to staff for outstanding work, loyality.
so, its in the west. have you guys never lived there or no clue or what?

by default, there is zero reason, to pay "above average".
its counterproductive - and, it fucks up your reputation, your standing as an employer. nobody will take you serious, least your staff.

StroppyChops · Post by **StroppyChops** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:19 pm

Lonestar wrote:I wonder if I paid my staff a western wage..........how many posters demanding "fairness" for Cambodians would be at my bar paying 4.00 for a beer.

I pay as much as I can and as much as this highly competitive market will bear

Didn't Ford or one of the other industrialists have a maxim along these lines?

potty wrote:have you guys never lived there or no clue or what?

A comment for nothing on your posting style (which you can reject if you like) - you often have really valid, interesting contributions, but your inability to refrain from insulting other posters unnecessarily leads me to ignore your posts. Often a shame.

by default, there is zero reason, to pay "above average".
its counterproductive - and, it fucks up your reputation, your standing as an employer. nobody will take you serious, least your staff.

Disagree. We know the extended family of our staff, who know we pay above average and why. If any of the staff did the wrong thing by us, their family would lose face and probably cause the staff member physical grief. 'Face' works when you work it.

YouTube · Post by **General Mackevili** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:31 pm

StroppyChops wrote:Like any business, you plan to run at a loss for 12 months. And yes, definitely a lot of training going in, Mrs S and I are working 5 days a week for the opportunity to give away our slush funds at the moment.

What is your personal reasoning behind paying a higher than normal salary?

#curiosity

StroppyChops · Post by **StroppyChops** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:45 pm

General Mackevili wrote:
StroppyChops wrote:Like any business, you plan to run at a loss for 12 months. And yes, definitely a lot of training going in, Mrs S and I are working 5 days a week for the opportunity to give away our slush funds at the moment.
What is your personal reasoning behind paying a higher than normal salary?

#curiosity

Honestly, because we want them to achieve self-determination at some point and we don't think minimum wage allows for that.

We're probably different as employers as we're not in it for profit - profit goes into the education arm of the company. It's more accurate to refer to what we're doing as 'social enterprise' (tree-hugging, good-doing, whatever you prefer) than business for profit.

We're also very actively demonstrating that compassion needs verbs, as good intentions (empty prayers, etc) are worthless without action. "Why you do this?" is being asked less as time goes by, and we're starting to see the compassion we model being reflected even when our crew don't know we're looking.

LTO · Post by **LTO** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:30 pm

potty wrote:
Digg3r wrote:by default, there is zero reason, to pay "above average".
its counterproductive - and, it fucks up your reputation, your standing as an employer. nobody will take you serious, least your staff.

Besides human decency perhaps...the desire to afford people a living rather than subsistence wage because it is the right and decent thing to do.

potty · Post by **potty** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:14 pm

I entirely disagree. in every country the business purpose with making profit is the main goal.

every dollar spent for non-investment-purposes is lost, and cant e.g. go into the "education arm", or other expansion ideas.

it should be the main purpose to set up and expand the business, and not to throw money on individuals.
jmho.

I also fail to see, how this procedure would support development of work ethics. I think it does even do the opposite.

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