Chad Sexington wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:26 pm

xandreu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:41 am A lot of talk about vigilantism on here, and with such an emotive subject and lackluster justice system, it's understandable.

Unfortunately, it's not a solution in the civilized world, no matter the crime, even the most despicable ones, which is why no civilized country has condoned it for a very long time. And the idea that it's worth a few innocent people getting wrongly accused if it acts as a deterrent is just ill-thought out at best. It's all well and good until that innocent person who's trapped inside a burning tyre, with dozens of marauding onlookers - including children - applauding the spectacle like some medieval ritual is you, or one of your loved ones, screaming their innocence while the skin on their face melts off.

We abolished this kind of behavior, including capital punishment - in case someone was wrongly accused - a long time ago, and I think most people would agree that it belongs in the past. If this is justice for you, there are plenty of places you can go and live, namely some African states or perhaps a country dominated by radical Islam? There are plenty to choose from.

Or you could just stay here and campaign for a big change in the justice system when dealing with this sort of crime.

Are you including the UK when you talk of ‘civilized countries? Where convicted child murderers and child rapists are freed (ever so quietly though, so that the neighbors don’t kick up a fuss) into the general public (is it any wonder the members of a community, on finding out they have a monster who is a proven danger to children living amongst them, may consider taking the law into their own hands to keep their kids safe?)
Is it civilized when Asian grooming gangs are allowed to rape young white girls, in the full knowledge of the police and local authorities, because those authorities would rather turn a blind eye to the crimes than arrest the perpetrators and risk being accused of racism?
What kind of justice system puts the feelings of criminals above the safety of their child victims?

And it isn’t just crimes against children (though they are by far the most serious) people are being stabbed and murdered on an almost daily basis, house break ins that police don’t even bother to investigate, muggings so frequent that they no longer make the headlines, the list goes on.

Where is the deterrent when those convicted of violent crime and assault are for the most part ‘punished’ with Community Service Orders (of which compliance with, is left to the criminals own discretion, namely ignored) or suspended sentences (sentences that are not actioned when those convicted reoffend, often repeatedly, supposedly because the prisons are all full)?

These days the justice system in the UK is operated mainly for the benefit of those employed in it, why spend taxpayers money on building more jails (when they are built, it’s only to replace existing jails whose levels of comfort are deemed unacceptable for the convicts) when that money could be paid out in legal aid for repeat offenders, the cash cows of the legal system, if they’re locked up they’re not bringing in revenue (and not being punished in the first place increases the likelihood of them reoffending) catch and release for the benefit of lawyers.

I suspect many more people support the idea of capital punishment than you think. Criminal forensics have come a long way since capital punishment was banned, the chances of being wrongly convicted are very small, and there are many cases where guilt is proven beyond any doubt, for despicable crimes that most consider should warrant capital punishment.
Unfortunately, a referendum on the reintroduction of capital punishment will probably never be allowed by those in power, because they know what the result would be (and perhaps they fear themselves or their friends may fall foul of it?)

Is the UK a civilized country these days? Or has it become a dangerous, crime ridden toilet thats getting worse by the day?