timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:02 am With vaccination rate in KH being so high I suspect they'll relax entry requirements in the next few months. If they offer Tourist visas again it'd be hard to justify retaining the current tight rules on E class visas.

AndyKK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:42 pm

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:02 am With vaccination rate in KH being so high I suspect they'll relax entry requirements in the next few months. If they offer Tourist visas again it'd be hard to justify retaining the current tight rules on E class visas.

You seem to be very confident about this happening soon. I agree with you, that it would be nice to return too some normality, and the chance too travel once again. You mention the vaccination rate in KH being so high, and it maybe so, but again the majority have been vaccinated with one of the two Chinese vaccines. I know all vaccines will not stop anyone from getting the viruses, that was proved by the Chinese who happened to be here and wanting too return home too that of their own, if so they must do 14 days quarantine before returning. Why was that time of quarantine implemented! Because it was said that some Chinese returned with being infected with covid19. The Chinese were too very concerned about their vaccines, also at the time suggesting a booster. I also would say Cambodia has been very open to some aspects, mainly Chinese travelers, and that of their own migrant workers, I suppose if there was no random testing, being that they only test people who are actually ill with covid19, the figures would have stayed low, like now.

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:58 pm

AndyKK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:42 pm

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:02 am With vaccination rate in KH being so high I suspect they'll relax entry requirements in the next few months. If they offer Tourist visas again it'd be hard to justify retaining the current tight rules on E class visas.

You seem to be very confident about this happening soon. I agree with you, that it would be nice to return too some normality, and the chance too travel once again. You mention the vaccination rate in KH being so high, and it maybe so, but again the majority have been vaccinated with one of the two Chinese vaccines. I know all vaccines will not stop anyone from getting the viruses, that was proved by the Chinese who happened to be here and wanting too return home too that of their own, if so they must do 14 days quarantine before returning. Why was that time of quarantine implemented! Because it was said that some Chinese returned with being infected with covid19. The Chinese were too very concerned about their vaccines, also at the time suggesting a booster. I also would say Cambodia has been very open to some aspects, mainly Chinese travelers, and that of their own migrant workers, I suppose if there was no random testing, being that they only test people who are actually ill with covid19, the figures would have stayed low, like now.

Just my personal views on this: I feel they will assess what happens post Pchum Ben. My belief is they are putting their faith in the Sino* vaccines and will let it rip, in the hope that enough protection is provided by them, that hardly anyone needs to be hospitalised or die. Or, more accurately, as few as possible (some "acceptable" number in their eyes). I don't know about you but I'm at the point that I can roll with this. Let's see how the numbers turn out in 1-2 weeks. If they're to be believed at all.

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:58 pm

AndyKK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:42 pm

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:02 am With vaccination rate in KH being so high I suspect they'll relax entry requirements in the next few months. If they offer Tourist visas again it'd be hard to justify retaining the current tight rules on E class visas.

You seem to be very confident about this happening soon. I agree with you, that it would be nice to return too some normality, and the chance too travel once again. You mention the vaccination rate in KH being so high, and it maybe so, but again the majority have been vaccinated with one of the two Chinese vaccines. I know all vaccines will not stop anyone from getting the viruses, that was proved by the Chinese who happened to be here and wanting too return home too that of their own, if so they must do 14 days quarantine before returning. Why was that time of quarantine implemented! Because it was said that some Chinese returned with being infected with covid19. The Chinese were too very concerned about their vaccines, also at the time suggesting a booster. I also would say Cambodia has been very open to some aspects, mainly Chinese travelers, and that of their own migrant workers, I suppose if there was no random testing, being that they only test people who are actually ill with covid19, the figures would have stayed low, like now.

Just my personal views on this: I feel they will assess what happens post Pchum Ben. My belief is they are putting their faith in the Sino* vaccines and will let it rip, in the hope that enough protection is provided by them, that hardly anyone needs to be hospitalised or die. Or, more accurately, as few as possible (some "acceptable" number in their eyes). I don't know about you but I'm at the point that I can roll with this. Let's see how the numbers turn out in 1-2 weeks. If they're to be believed at all.

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:10 pm

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:58 pm

AndyKK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:42 pm

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:02 am With vaccination rate in KH being so high I suspect they'll relax entry requirements in the next few months. If they offer Tourist visas again it'd be hard to justify retaining the current tight rules on E class visas.

You seem to be very confident about this happening soon. I agree with you, that it would be nice to return too some normality, and the chance too travel once again. You mention the vaccination rate in KH being so high, and it maybe so, but again the majority have been vaccinated with one of the two Chinese vaccines. I know all vaccines will not stop anyone from getting the viruses, that was proved by the Chinese who happened to be here and wanting too return home too that of their own, if so they must do 14 days quarantine before returning. Why was that time of quarantine implemented! Because it was said that some Chinese returned with being infected with covid19. The Chinese were too very concerned about their vaccines, also at the time suggesting a booster. I also would say Cambodia has been very open to some aspects, mainly Chinese travelers, and that of their own migrant workers, I suppose if there was no random testing, being that they only test people who are actually ill with covid19, the figures would have stayed low, like now.

Just my personal views on this: I feel they will assess what happens post Pchum Ben. My belief is they are putting their faith in the Sino* vaccines and will let it rip, in the hope that enough protection is provided by them, that hardly anyone needs to be hospitalised or die. Or, more accurately, as few as possible (some "acceptable" number in their eyes). I don't know about you but I'm at the point that I can roll with this. Let's see how the numbers turn out in 1-2 weeks. If they're to be believed at all.

I make you right, they have to get on with it, and now they accept that fact. It's a mindset thing, for the government and the public.

Their problem is after 1 year of maintaining a zero-Covid-19 policy, with a good deal of success (if you believe the numbers), the wheels came off in February and despite their best efforts and all the hyperbole used to frighten people - the deadly, lethal, viscous, killer virus etc - it is game over for a Zero-Covid policy.

The hyperbole and fearmongering is long gone from all the reporting. The seem prepared to accept 200 infections and 20 deaths a day as being part of the 'new normal' and the new baseline for fully opening up.

Europe arrived at these conclusions last year, Cambodia and it's neighbours are just getting their heads around it as they managed to delay the inevitable by about a year. Good try but, alas, not good enough.

It's a good decision and quite a brave one, so kudos to them on that score. Let's hope they also get sensible as to air travel and get some tourist $'s flowing again.

Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:52 pm

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:10 pm

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:58 pm

AndyKK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:42 pm

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:02 am With vaccination rate in KH being so high I suspect they'll relax entry requirements in the next few months. If they offer Tourist visas again it'd be hard to justify retaining the current tight rules on E class visas.

You seem to be very confident about this happening soon. I agree with you, that it would be nice to return too some normality, and the chance too travel once again. You mention the vaccination rate in KH being so high, and it maybe so, but again the majority have been vaccinated with one of the two Chinese vaccines. I know all vaccines will not stop anyone from getting the viruses, that was proved by the Chinese who happened to be here and wanting too return home too that of their own, if so they must do 14 days quarantine before returning. Why was that time of quarantine implemented! Because it was said that some Chinese returned with being infected with covid19. The Chinese were too very concerned about their vaccines, also at the time suggesting a booster. I also would say Cambodia has been very open to some aspects, mainly Chinese travelers, and that of their own migrant workers, I suppose if there was no random testing, being that they only test people who are actually ill with covid19, the figures would have stayed low, like now.

Just my personal views on this: I feel they will assess what happens post Pchum Ben. My belief is they are putting their faith in the Sino* vaccines and will let it rip, in the hope that enough protection is provided by them, that hardly anyone needs to be hospitalised or die. Or, more accurately, as few as possible (some "acceptable" number in their eyes). I don't know about you but I'm at the point that I can roll with this. Let's see how the numbers turn out in 1-2 weeks. If they're to be believed at all.

I make you right, they have to get on with it, and now they accept that fact. It's a mindset thing, for the government and the public.

Their problem is after 1 year of maintaining a zero-Covid-19 policy, with a good deal of success (if you believe the numbers), the wheels came off in February and despite their best efforts and all the hyperbole used to frighten people - the deadly, lethal, viscous, killer virus etc - it is game over for a Zero-Covid policy.

The hyperbole and fearmongering is long gone from all the reporting. The seem prepared to accept 200 infections and 20 deaths a day as being part of the 'new normal' and the new baseline for fully opening up.

Europe arrived at these conclusions last year, Cambodia and it's neighbours are just getting their heads around it as they managed to delay the inevitable by about a year. Good try but, alas, not good enough.

It's a good decision and quite a brave one, so kudos to them on that score. Let's hope they also get sensible as to air travel and get some tourist $'s flowing again.

Lockdown was a global mistake, but all the countries followed along with it bar some exceptions who didn't do better or worse overall than those who did

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:07 pm

Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:52 pm

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:10 pm

timmydownawell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:58 pm

AndyKK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:42 pm
You seem to be very confident about this happening soon. I agree with you, that it would be nice to return too some normality, and the chance too travel once again. You mention the vaccination rate in KH being so high, and it maybe so, but again the majority have been vaccinated with one of the two Chinese vaccines. I know all vaccines will not stop anyone from getting the viruses, that was proved by the Chinese who happened to be here and wanting too return home too that of their own, if so they must do 14 days quarantine before returning. Why was that time of quarantine implemented! Because it was said that some Chinese returned with being infected with covid19. The Chinese were too very concerned about their vaccines, also at the time suggesting a booster. I also would say Cambodia has been very open to some aspects, mainly Chinese travelers, and that of their own migrant workers, I suppose if there was no random testing, being that they only test people who are actually ill with covid19, the figures would have stayed low, like now.

Just my personal views on this: I feel they will assess what happens post Pchum Ben. My belief is they are putting their faith in the Sino* vaccines and will let it rip, in the hope that enough protection is provided by them, that hardly anyone needs to be hospitalised or die. Or, more accurately, as few as possible (some "acceptable" number in their eyes). I don't know about you but I'm at the point that I can roll with this. Let's see how the numbers turn out in 1-2 weeks. If they're to be believed at all.

I make you right, they have to get on with it, and now they accept that fact. It's a mindset thing, for the government and the public.

Their problem is after 1 year of maintaining a zero-Covid-19 policy, with a good deal of success (if you believe the numbers), the wheels came off in February and despite their best efforts and all the hyperbole used to frighten people - the deadly, lethal, viscous, killer virus etc - it is game over for a Zero-Covid policy.

The hyperbole and fearmongering is long gone from all the reporting. The seem prepared to accept 200 infections and 20 deaths a day as being part of the 'new normal' and the new baseline for fully opening up.

Europe arrived at these conclusions last year, Cambodia and it's neighbours are just getting their heads around it as they managed to delay the inevitable by about a year. Good try but, alas, not good enough.

It's a good decision and quite a brave one, so kudos to them on that score. Let's hope they also get sensible as to air travel and get some tourist $'s flowing again.

Lockdown was a global mistake, but all the countries followed along with it bar some exceptions who didn't do better or worse overall than those who did

Totally disagree. Lockdowns saved a lot of lives and bought a lot of time for vaccines to be rolled out.