Exploitation of Khmer staff
Re: Exploitation of Khmer staff
no, you have to accept that in any country a proportion of jobs will be low skilled and or menial, if the people doing those jobs get ok money they can spend it and boost the national economy.
i'm not saying fast food workers should have houses with swimming pools and drive a BMW. but by having enough money to be able to spend it on things other than basic food/rent expenses is good for everyone
saying its jobs for monkeys so pay peanuts is just concentrating money to a small elite. after all, burger king makes a certain amount of profit. lower wages = higher shareholders profits.
higher wages would have a positive effect on individuals and society
i'm not saying fast food workers should have houses with swimming pools and drive a BMW. but by having enough money to be able to spend it on things other than basic food/rent expenses is good for everyone
saying its jobs for monkeys so pay peanuts is just concentrating money to a small elite. after all, burger king makes a certain amount of profit. lower wages = higher shareholders profits.
higher wages would have a positive effect on individuals and society
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right, that's the left rhetoric pound for pound. it's hogwash though because it fails to contemplate to structured inflation that follows. you pay food workers what welders make, suddenly welders are quitting to go work food where it's easier. so now you have to pay welders what cement workers make, now cement workers are quitting to go weld. so now you have to pay cement workers what foremen make, and foremen are quitting to go work cement. so now you have to pay foremen what architects make, and so on and so on and so on....
if you raise one class of wages significantly, you end up having to raise them across the board... this drives up all wage expenses and will drive up prices to meet them. as prices rise the impact of raises drops because the "living wage" doesn't stretch as far... so now people in the lowest class say they're not getting a living wage and it all starts over again.
as for concentrated wealth... if you have a village with 100 people, all with an equal wealth of $1000 each what can they achieve to grow that wealth and create jobs for the whole village? they could possibly all work together on a shared investment... but it's unrealistic. instead you'll see most of them either spend it or invest it in small gains. if instead 99 of those 100 people had $500 each, enough to get by, and the other guy has $50,000 it enables him to invest it in a medium/large investment like a small factory. with that he can employ workers, purchase goods from the other 99 as they produce them, etc... creating actual growth.
if you raise one class of wages significantly, you end up having to raise them across the board... this drives up all wage expenses and will drive up prices to meet them. as prices rise the impact of raises drops because the "living wage" doesn't stretch as far... so now people in the lowest class say they're not getting a living wage and it all starts over again.
as for concentrated wealth... if you have a village with 100 people, all with an equal wealth of $1000 each what can they achieve to grow that wealth and create jobs for the whole village? they could possibly all work together on a shared investment... but it's unrealistic. instead you'll see most of them either spend it or invest it in small gains. if instead 99 of those 100 people had $500 each, enough to get by, and the other guy has $50,000 it enables him to invest it in a medium/large investment like a small factory. with that he can employ workers, purchase goods from the other 99 as they produce them, etc... creating actual growth.
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High number of long term school administrators and principals giving up academic careers in Karratha to take up cleaning jobs that pay twice the salary. Classic example of OD's point, above.
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50% of something trumps 100% of nothing.
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well thats the Thatcher/Reagan neo liberal rightist retoric right there, and its also hogwash
Real income has been falling for most people over the previous few decades. plenty of stats to back this up ie
Now at the same time that incomes are declining in real terms, look at the boom in consumer credit, credit cards, in sub prime mortgages. etc. So pay people less, make money off their interest payments, and who benefits from that? and when the whole thing crashes, the taxpayer picks up the bill
heres a link for you http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-8b ... ay-scandal
Hotel chambermaids in NYC make 16pounds an hour. about $24, more than double than in london. (because unions)
and yet the new york hotel industry survives. and yet new york teachers and welders arent quitting to go clean hotel rooms. there doesnt seem to be hyper inflation
Those maids seem to have an ok deal. maybe they can go eat in a restaraunt once in a while, go shopping, go to the cinema, you know boost the local economy.
I presume in your free market system, its get the unions out, pay them minimum wage (beacuse any fool can clean rooms) and if no one wants do it, get some Mexicans in who will, right?
we need people to drive taxis, take out trash, wait tables, scan barcodes in supermarkets, but supposedly these aren't deemed proper jobs anymore. not worthy of any respect or positon in sociaty. just shit people do while they go to college to be lawyers or computer programmers.
well i say fuck that
Real income has been falling for most people over the previous few decades. plenty of stats to back this up ie
source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-class_squeezeRecent income statistics[edit]
Recent trends indicate wages have stagnated and income inequality has worsened, reducing income available to middle class families:
U.S. median income ("real" or adjusted for inflation) fell from a peak of approximately $57,000 in 1999 to $52,000 in 2013, a decline of about $5,000 or 9%.[8]
U.S. employee compensation fell relative to the size of the economy (GDP) from approximately 57% in 2000 to 53% in 2013. Employee wages and salaries, a subset of total compensation, fell from 47% GDP in 2000 to 43% GDP in 2013.[9] This indicates a shift in income from workers (labor) to owners (capital).
The U.S. top 1% income group received nearly 23% of the income in 2012, versus 10% from 1950-1970, one measure of increasing income inequality.[10] To put this change into perspective, at 1979 inequality levels, each family in the bottom 80% of the income distribution would today be receiving approximately $7,000 per year more in income on average, or nearly $600 per month.[11]
Historical perspective[edit]
In 1995, 60% of American workers were labouring for real wages below previous peaks, while at the median, “real wages for nonsupervisory workers were down 13 percent from peak 1973 levels.”[12] In a study conducted in 2006 by The United States House of Representatives there were some interesting income findings that show the effects of the middle-class squeeze. According to the study, not only is real income decreasing for the middle class, but also the gap between the top wage earners and the middle earners is widening.
Between 2000 and 2005 real median household income in the United States has declined by 2.5%, falling each of the first four years of the Bush Administration, falling by as much as 2.2% annually. Overall real median income has declined since 2000, by $1,273, from $47,599 in 2000, to $46,326 in 2005.
According to the survey, working-class families headed by adults younger than 65 have seen even steeper declines. Although they had seen an increase in real median household income from 1995 to 2000 of 9%, since 2000 their income has fallen every year and a total of 5.4%. In actual money terms this correlates to a decrease of $3,000 from $55,284 to $52,287.[3]
Now at the same time that incomes are declining in real terms, look at the boom in consumer credit, credit cards, in sub prime mortgages. etc. So pay people less, make money off their interest payments, and who benefits from that? and when the whole thing crashes, the taxpayer picks up the bill
heres a link for you http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-8b ... ay-scandal
Hotel chambermaids in NYC make 16pounds an hour. about $24, more than double than in london. (because unions)
and yet the new york hotel industry survives. and yet new york teachers and welders arent quitting to go clean hotel rooms. there doesnt seem to be hyper inflation
Those maids seem to have an ok deal. maybe they can go eat in a restaraunt once in a while, go shopping, go to the cinema, you know boost the local economy.
I presume in your free market system, its get the unions out, pay them minimum wage (beacuse any fool can clean rooms) and if no one wants do it, get some Mexicans in who will, right?
we need people to drive taxis, take out trash, wait tables, scan barcodes in supermarkets, but supposedly these aren't deemed proper jobs anymore. not worthy of any respect or positon in sociaty. just shit people do while they go to college to be lawyers or computer programmers.
well i say fuck that
Re: Exploitation of Khmer staff
A company that only makes money is not much of a company- Henry Ford.
Re: Exploitation of Khmer staff
in oder to compare the value of national minimum wages around the world...jaynewcastle wrote:In order to compare the value of national minimum wages around the world, its essential you take the cost of living into account in each country, & I guess at some point, the average educational qualifications too of each population, & the general wealth & development of each country.
Of course nobody from a western developed nation would work for that little, but I would bet there are people in the poorest countries of Africa who would be queuing up to work for that amount of money.
I am surprised & also impressed that Cambodia does have a national minimum wage, along with other labour laws. Even the UK didn't get a national minimum wage until 15 years ago or so
its also essential to see, what ppl here are actually "working".
if you would perform that way in the west, you would be out of job.
if you had the education as them, you would never get a job. not even as a cleaner in the west.
don't you find it strange, that nobody here gets up?
in our countries, someone stood up, saying "we need unions"...
..."we need feminist movement"... we need the 60s, the 70s...
..."we need the 50s and everyone has to work until they drop..."
here? - life or existence is a flatline... and nobody seems to complain...
why would you in place of them?
Re: Exploitation of Khmer staff
weekly working hours in germany...
1825: 82 h
1900: 60 h, 6 days
1950: 48 h
1956: some industries 5-days-week
1965: 40 h (some industries)
and no, ppl couldn't sleep 50% of the time, phone calling, going shopping or stare blanks in the air...
1825: 82 h
1900: 60 h, 6 days
1950: 48 h
1956: some industries 5-days-week
1965: 40 h (some industries)
and no, ppl couldn't sleep 50% of the time, phone calling, going shopping or stare blanks in the air...
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Re: Exploitation of Khmer staff
A place that is charging western prices and making huge profits by paying local minimum wage is exploiting the local work force. I wonder how many are managing to pull that off though? Franchise restaurants popular with richer locals and higher end hotels could save fortunes on low to mid level staff.Hotdigr wrote:OD, the worldwide industry standard for hospitality wages stands at around 25% of gross take ( Google it mate).
Anymore ( unless you are in a specialist industry) then you are probably paying to much. Any less, then you are paying peanuts and getting monkeys. Simple as that. I repeat - the WORLDWIDE hospitality industry standard, to get good staff, is to pay around 25% of your gross take in wages. Do you think BK is paying that in Cambodia? ( P.S, I would love to have your input in this Moody Monkey,you know the ropes in the industry as well as any one here mate)
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Where are you getting your stats? According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) the average hotel cleaner in NYC gets $14.90 per hour ...or $30,980 per year for a 40 hour work week. The higher paid union maid jobs you mention are very few and far between.clippy wrote:Hotel chambermaids in NYC make 16pounds an hour. about $24, more than double than in london. (because unions)
and yet the new york hotel industry survives. and yet new york teachers and welders arent quitting to go clean hotel rooms. there doesnt seem to be hyper inflation
http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jo ... per/salary
First time teachers in NYC start at $54,411 per year for nine months of work plus lots of holiday time off.
http://ny.chalkbeat.org/2014/05/06/uft- ... VJq5614CCA
The average cab driver in NYC earns about $38,615 per year, although not everyone can be a cab driver due to the cost of legally required taxi medallions which go for nearly one million dollars.
http://www1.salary.com/NY/New-York/Taxi ... alary.html
http://nycitycab.com/Business/TaxiMedallionList.aspx
People who try to argue "clippy's" point of view almost always mix in emotion with fact, thus clouding their judgement and reaching false conclusions.
You can say "fuck that" to anything you wish if it makes you feel morally superior. Go ahead and open up a business and pay people what you think they should get. Pay 2 or 3 or 10 times the going labor rate if you want. But you won't.
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