Username Taken wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:04 pm In Australia, more people have died after being vaccinated than have died from/with covid.

the article you quote as evidence for this actually says the opposite. I would be interested to know what logic you use.

"Part of our analysis includes comparing natural expected death rates with observed death rates following immunisation. So far, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination remains less than the expected number of deaths that would occur naturally, or from other causes, for that proportion of the population. "

You cannot stop a virus as virulent as this it is raging in Japan,Thailand and especially Indonesia now they are reporting over 2,000 deaths a day?
It has to run its course like the Spanish Flu did vaccines,lockdowns,masks and social distancing make no difference whatsoever.A virus becomes more infectious and less deadly over time as killing its host means killing itself also,letting it rip to achieve herd immunity is the only answer unfortunately?

Balderdash!

Vaccinate all the willing first, not long now
then let her rip and all the idiots on the planet, the lockdown wingers and the antivaxers, can be quarantined off from the rest of us and, hopefully, crawl off to die an agonising solitary death.
Munts! Sabatours..

(just a bit of literary "colour" )

Yeah good, the saboteurs should be shot on sight like the rabid street dogs they are.

Effective, targeted lockdowns and everybody getting vaxxed are the only thing that will end the restrictions - the arsehole snowflake lockdown wingers and the anti vaxxer science-denying animist cretins are the ones that will prolong the pain.
Draw and quarter the mongrels.


(not that it bothers me that much)

Reading various social media posts it seemed like Cambodia’s vaccine roll out has been more efficient than Australia’s. it’s true.

Australian Prime Minister, ScoMo (or Scovid as someone has dubbed him) says lockdowns will end and borders will be open once Australia has 80% of the population vaccinated. He’s dreaming. The knt

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https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccin ... a451oHp82o

With due respect...
Yeah Au's rollout has been slow but it is now into gear and picking up quite fast.
To have more confidence in Cambodia's vaccine regime seems to me a little optimistic.
For a start, Au has excellent vaccines - and a regime that will keep the spread in some sort of check until they are more fully rolled out.

2. 80% Vax before the borders open?
Scomo has said no such thing.

Australia’s path out of lockdowns will be decided by how many people are vaccinated but will also take into account the economic cost of restrictions that have already cost taxpayers and businesses billions of dollars.

Political leaders will be warned of the economic cost of sustained lockdowns in a Treasury analysis to balance new advice to national cabinet on the target vaccination rate required to open up.

New modelling from the Grattan Institute found Australia could ease restrictions and end lockdowns when 80 per cent of the entire population has been vaccinated, a target that could be reached by the end of the year if children under the age of 12 are included in the rollout.

“[We] get one of the world’s best scientific organisations, the Doherty Institute, to tell you what the rates, risks are against various vaccination levels for the general population. And then you get the best economic advice from your Treasury to work out what the cost of various restrictions are. And you come up with what the right vaccination rate is to enable that to happen,”

Treasury Secretary Steven Kennedy will present the economic advice, while Doherty Institute professor Jodie McVernon will take leaders through the vaccination modelling.

The Treasury analysis models scenarios ranging from lighter restrictions to sweeping lockdowns to consider the risks to the economy and jobs. The results provide a counterbalance to the Doherty Institute’s work because national cabinet could consider the economic consequences in setting a more ambitious vaccination target or supporting longer lockdowns.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 58e17.html (today)

^^^ A pretty comprehensive overview of Au's situation and stance in this report.
No 80% (sorry V) - a fully informed and balanced decision guided by Science and economic facts (not fears and lobbies)

Australians are not usually known for their subtlety - but their nuanced response is far deeaper than anyone here on CEO is obviously capable of grasping - judging from so much of the just plain wrong, or totally mischaracterised, information that has appeared on this thread. imo

On the other hand - it is all very understandable. (God knows > i have a hair-trigger finger and go off half cocked myself at times)
It's still a good discussion thread.

PS. The full opening up Masterplan will be revealed today or next Tuesday i think - but this ^^ will be the guts of it.