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cautious colin wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 6:22 pm
armchairlawyer wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 3:15 pm Yes, Turkey is now red listed. That's why they are moving some football game from Istanbul to Portugal or wherever.
Yep, makes sense. 2 English clubs in the final, let's move from Turkey to Eng... Nope, Portugal
My thoughts exactly, If it were 2 Turkish clubs playing that match in the UK ?
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tightenupvolume1 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 6:35 pm
cautious colin wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 6:22 pm
armchairlawyer wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 3:15 pm Yes, Turkey is now red listed. That's why they are moving some football game from Istanbul to Portugal or wherever.
Yep, makes sense. 2 English clubs in the final, let's move from Turkey to Eng... Nope, Portugal
My thoughts exactly, If it were 2 Turkish clubs playing that match in the UK ?
Uefa said they were looking at Wembley but that no agreement could be reached with the UK government on quarantine exemptions for the sponsors, VIPs and broadcasters. Broadcasting would have been easy, Britain has a lot of experience and is more than capable of using British workers to broadcaster the game worldwide. Commentators from other countries could stay in their own countries and watch on a big screen to Commentate. So it looks like uefa didn't want to inconvenience the rich VIPs and sponsors.
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hburns wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 8:04 pm So it looks like uefa didn't want to inconvenience the rich VIPs and sponsors.
Unusual for uefa to do something purely based on money and not take into account anything else. :good:
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Hi all,
Saw this and it reminded me of something said elsewhere. How strange. Is "win-win" spreading globally as a trendy expression ?
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Posted today.
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(Admit that I even find myself using the expression with friends , but "ironically", or at least I hope so.)
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hburns wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 pm
tightenupvolume1 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 3:33 pm In the last couple of days before India was put on the red list hundreds flew in to London on shared private jets, thousands more came via other European countries. There were pictures and videos of huge lines of people from India crowded into customs. Boris should not have given warning it encouraged those who had enough money to fly here and wanted the ability to use the NHS in case of infection. Even the well off in India are having trouble getting a hospital bed. I have a friend in Goa a couple months ago he sort of joked that he might fly to the UK just in case he got the virus.
And leading up to that when the situation in India was already out of control we had 900 people a day arriving in Britain from India. How can those numbers just be people returning from visiting sick or dying relatives? While we haven't been able to leave the country it seems that every Tom, Dick and Harry can come in and is told to just stay at home for 10 days. Quite obviously that hasn't been happening.
And they invariably return to houses with large, multi-generational, families. There is no point at all asking people to self isolate at 'home', when that home has multiple comings and goings each day with all the mixing with others that involves.

We've been down this road before -open borders mean importation of any mutations.

All those rumours and stories that came out of India of fully vaxed health workers getting infected, the young being affected as much as the old and it being far more contagious etc, are now going to be tested in the UK.
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tightenupvolume1 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 4:41 pm
armchairlawyer wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 3:36 pm The South Asian immigrant community in the UK (especially those originally from Pakistan and Bangladesh) have been disproportionately "vaccine hesitant" and they also seem to be more keen to travel internationally (e.g. to Pakistan for weddings and funerals). Wider social concepts such as herd immunity and not travelling unless necessary do not seem to be given as much weight as they might. We don't know to what extent those who got back into the UK just before red listing of their departure countries were compliant with the self-regulatory "isolate at home" regime. And this culture is quite pervasive, as exampled by the presence of two senior NHS doctors in the BBC report (see post above) who were among the group of eight who were unhappy at being put into hotel quarantine in the UK on return from their trips.
These issues may need to be addressed post-Covid to see what part cultural beliefs played in the extending or reducing the deadly effects of the virus.
Unfortunately discussing this stuff is not easy, anybody even MPs who dare are called a racist and invite the twitter mob.
Surge vaccinations now being rolled out in Lancashire to try to keep a lid on the spread of the Indian variant.

Edit-Update - Bolton now has the highest national infection rate of 192 per 100,000 at w/e 13th May. This includes a huge spike in infection among children.

The latest figures show that the number of infections caused by the variant, which is feared to be spreading on a community level in some parts of the country, has nearly tripled over the past week.

It comes as one council in Lancashire attempted to break rank with national guidance and take matters into its own hands on Thursday, saying it would offer vaccines to those aged 18 and over in three wards of Blackburn with Darwen, before later reversing its decision.


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The BBC reports on the Bolton outbreak including that it is the India variant. But not one word about maybe some of the locals popped over for a wedding and maybe didn't isolate on their return.
BBC News - Covid in Bolton: What's causing the spike?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57094274
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The BBC does find space to blame it on social deprivation however.
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armchairlawyer wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 10:53 am The BBC does find space to blame it on social deprivation however.
Of course they do - you just interview the local Labour MP, Yasmin Qureshi - she can be relied on to sing from the correct hymn sheet.

By mid-April, lockdown had forced daily infections back almost to single figures locally. Then something worrying happened.

Rates started rising sharply again - doubling in the last week of April, then doubling again in the first week of May.

No one knows for sure how this spike in infections started.


Err, I do.

The poor deprived citizens of these heavily Asian populated areas have been popping back and forth for religious festivals, weddings and dying relatives for months, and the spineless cowards at the Home Office wouldn't stop them from leaving the country for fear of being called racist. It was all entirely predictable.
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Doc67 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 11:21 am
The poor deprived citizens of these heavily Asian populated areas have been popping back and forth for religious festivals, weddings and dying relatives for months, and the spineless cowards at the Home Office wouldn't stop them from leaving the country for fear of being called racist. It was all entirely predictable.
The policy is to understaff Border Control at LHR in order to deter travellers with long queues on their return.
They don't do that with Manchester airport for some reason.
Maybe that is why the spike is in Bolton as opposed to Southall or Wembley. That would be uncomfortably close to Westminster.
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