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People smiling, cheering, laughing, having a big party after the result, i find it all a bit weird. I suppose thats the Amerikan way
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tightenupvolume1 wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:18 pm People smiling, cheering, laughing, having a big party after the result, i find it all a bit weird. I suppose thats the Amerikan way
It's missing celebratory gunfire, but that would be illegal.
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I still don't see why people treat George Floyd like he was some kind of saint, he was a career criminal.
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Wonder how many murders the US will have this year. We are setting records.

https://www.takimag.com/article/killer-stats/print
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More than 1 bad cop or you wouldn't have a BLM movement.
The US has been transitioning military gear to police departments across the US for some time.
As a result the US is more postured for enforcement than prevention.
If we focussed on communities and their development we could avoid some of this carnage.

We need more Officer Friendly and less Robocop.
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Its more than just the police. A good start would be to re-introduce the idea that police officers are more peace officer and far less "warrior".

Then we could dial back the "dialing up" of charges. Everything shouldn't be a felony. Nor should one bad act result in 7 or 9 charges. The adding on of charges results in people spending far too much time in jail for one bad act.

Then we could reform DA offices. No more allowing DA's to run for higher offices while in office - in fact how about a 3-4 year quiet period. Far too many people have been put in jail to further someone's political career (Kamala Harris would be exhibit A).

And people should be able to get parole and early parole for good behavior. Then folks should be on parole for a limited period of time and rules need to be changed to allow for parolees to pursue jobs/lives etc. Parole should not be a lifetime sentence nor a detriment to living life.

And then we should change police training and policing. Police today are being taught (in some ways) that they are warriors and every confrontation can be a life or death situation. This has resulted in Police going from 0 to 100 MPH in like 4 seconds. Non-Violent Suspects can be caught tomorrow. SWAT teams aren't needed at every domestic dispute or low level drug deal. The other part of this is that we need to get guns out of public life. No matter how much or how well we train people - when confronted with dangerous situations, mistakes will be made. Take your gun to the gun range or to the cabin to go hunting. Otherwise it should stay at home. That would help to allow policing to "slow down". So would dialing back the "war on drugs".

Having said all that, one shouldn't lose sight of the fact that our society seems to produce far too many people that break the law - and that has nothing to do with criminal justice - it has to do with families and education and discipline (or the lack thereof).
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Error404 wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:48 pm Image

I still don't see why people treat George Floyd like he was some kind of saint, he was a career criminal.
Don't know about sainthood. Don't care.
A cop kneeled on a man for over 9 minutes and killed him while he was hand cuffed and prone.
It's unnecessary excessive force and a common theme with law enforcement in the US.
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TWY wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:03 pm More than 1 bad cop or you wouldn't have a BLM movement.
The US has been transitioning military gear to police departments across the US for some time.
As a result the US is more postured for enforcement than prevention.
If we focussed on communities and their development we could avoid some of this carnage.

We need more Officer Friendly and less Robocop.
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Its more than just the police. A good start would be to re-introduce the idea that police officers are more peace officer and far less "warrior".

Then we could dial back the "dialing up" of charges. Everything shouldn't be a felony. Nor should one bad act result in 7 or 9 charges. The adding on of charges results in people spending far too much time in jail for one bad act.

Then we could reform DA offices. No more allowing DA's to run for higher offices while in office - in fact how about a 3-4 year quiet period. Far too many people have been put in jail to further someone's political career (Kamala Harris would be exhibit A).

And people should be able to get parole and early parole for good behavior. Then folks should be on parole for a limited period of time and rules need to be changed to allow for parolees to pursue jobs/lives etc. Parole should not be a lifetime sentence nor a detriment to living life.

And then we should change police training and policing. Police today are being taught (in some ways) that they are warriors and every confrontation can be a life or death situation. This has resulted in Police going from 0 to 100 MPH in like 4 seconds. Non-Violent Suspects can be caught tomorrow. SWAT teams aren't needed at every domestic dispute or low level drug deal. The other part of this is that we need to get guns out of public life. No matter how much or how well we train people - when confronted with dangerous situations, mistakes will be made. Take your gun to the gun range or to the cabin to go hunting. Otherwise it should stay at home. That would help to allow policing to "slow down". So would dialing back the "war on drugs".

Having said all that, one shouldn't lose sight of the fact that our society seems to produce far too many people that break the law - and that has nothing to do with criminal justice - it has to do with families and education and discipline (or the lack thereof).
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Though I'm not sure we produce more actual criminals than other societies, I agree. Remove cash for bail while you're at it.
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At the same time, an average of three people a day were killed by police during the trial:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/17/us/p ... lings.html
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Apollo91881 wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:05 pm
Error404 wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:48 pm Image

I still don't see why people treat George Floyd like he was some kind of saint, he was a career criminal.
Don't know about sainthood. Don't care.
A cop kneeled on a man for over 9 minutes and killed him while he was hand cuffed and prone.
It's unnecessary excessive force and a common theme with law enforcement in the US.
exactly
what previously happened does not give anyone the power to murder another person.
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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I still don't see why people treat George Floyd like he was some kind of saint, he was a career criminal
By all means murder those who fit this description- it gives qualified immunity.
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