China’s politics as war by other means

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China’s politics as war by other means

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related to the coup in Burma but much more
SE Asia is going to go thru some hard times

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Excerpts; The whole article is worth a read;;
Democracy in Myanmar grew uneasily over a couple of decades through a delicate balance of external and internal powers, the military, the tribal militias, the Thai influence groups, the United States and, of course, neighboring China.

All these forces cooperated to find a political balance that would support the democratic forces led by Aung San Suu Kyi and partially sideline the top brass.

The coup last Monday in Yangon came about as US-China ties are unraveling and thus the old balance in Myanmar no longer holds. The US is against the coup, but also China was unhappy about it, as shown in the cautious, unsupportive reaction of the Global Times. Beijing has vast, pervasive relations all over Myanmar.

China has a great interest in the stability of the country and virtually none in rocking the boat. Yet, in Beijing it is quite likely they didn’t see the coup coming and didn’t see that fraught ties with the US would have vast, unintended consequences. It could be the beginning of an unintentional domino effect for China on the global scene. It is possible that China missed it and it is missing it because of a larger issue of mindset.


Twice China didn’t understand where and what was the great challenge and threat. The first time was between the late 16th century and early 17th centuries when the Spanish reached China from Macao. The other time was exactly 200 years later when the English reached China, also from the south, near Macao, in Hong Kong.

In both cases, China didn’t understand the rules of global trade, and by failing to adjust to and master those rules, it created indirect economic crises that spilled into social and political crises that eventually led to the demise of the Ming dynasty and then the Qing dynasty. Is this time different for China?

Before going into this, we should look at the genesis of the present imperial power, the USA. “From the beginning of its existence, the United States was engaged in diplomacy, power politics, wars, and every foreign entanglement imaginable. That was inevitable. Nations rarely last long if they aren’t aware of foreign threats and opportunities,” argues George Friedman.
Jeffrey Wasserstrom wrote, “Living in China is confusing now.” This is because, as the novelist Yan Lianke said, “it can feel like being in North Korea and the United States at the same time.” I recall smiling and nodding when he made the remark, during a roundtable discussion at Duke University’s campus outside Shanghai three years ago.

In one brief sentence, he captured just how special and strange China can seem – “a country that has both gulags and Gap stores.”

These contradictions make it difficult for China to deal with the world, but also for the US, the present global leader, to deal with China. Both don’t understand each other and thus fail to address the other properly.

https://asiatimes.com/2021/02/chinas-po ... d7ff190aa4
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Thank's for sharing this spot on analysis. China's move to protect it's own territory and area of influence in Asia has been coming for a long time. The bullying by western nations does not help to defuse the situation and if things get out of control the whole area along the south china sea could be the next big war.
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emm wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:08 pm Thank's for sharing this spot on analysis. China's move to protect it's own territory and area of influence in Asia has been coming for a long time. The bullying by western nations does not help to defuse the situation and if things get out of control the whole area along the south china sea could be the next big war.
China hasn't done much to de-escalate the situation, and has done much in trying to exert influence abroad.
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phuketrichard wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:39 pm
In one brief sentence, he captured just how special and strange China can seem – “a country that has both gulags and Gap stores.”

These contradictions make it difficult for China to deal with the world, but also for the US, the present global leader, to deal with China. Both don’t understand each other and thus fail to address the other properly.
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China lost a lot of its chinese identity during the cultural revolution. But they couldn't destroy the confucian values of the population. The main beliefs in Confucianism will clash with the goverment set rules in the long term.

The incredbile economic growth that made so many chinese better off than the previous generation has been the major reason to accept the "communist" ruling but one BIG crisis will show if that system is sustainable..i believe not. It would not surprise me if China would be divided into multiple states in 100 years. ONE CHINA is held together by force (i.e.military rule, one party rule) and not by free will.
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the current south china sea claims are mythical
they did not claim, or even really acknowledge, most of the disputed islands, even as recently as 1800s
quite apart from the rather obvious geometry

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Maybe if we stopped pointing the finger, playing victim and making empty threats - and got back to the job of strengthening our own position might be more productive.

Developing a bit of real spine about cheap chinese imports would be a good place to start.
But that would entail both personal sacrifice by consumers, and taking on our own BigBiz who has sold us down the drain.
Who has the guts for that?

Nah, easier to huff and puff about the Spratly's
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China must protect it's businesses, it may just see growth to its "own" in general terms. It has certainly made its money from the so called 'cheap market goods', but the manpower behind those widely sold goods are situated in those countries of we may see has less fortunate, low skills and low end wages, the on-going labour needs, manufacture and growth in the workplace will firstly provide monies, by profits for the employer, but more so develop the employees, peoples work skills, thus also give themselves an income to increase their own lifestyle, adding too the countries economy and development, granted China is also taking advantage of the trade benefits also given to a particular country because it had qualified due to its means.
I don't think I would be wrong in saying, "it's how China conducts its businesses" that the first world countries look on, because if those countries were to do the same, they would themselves be deemed to be exploiters of the people and of their poorer situation in these circumstances of a lesser privileged country. Colonial pasts for many, developed growth but also resulted in damages, today it seems the attitude of the countries of the west, to be more supportive by the means of giving, than invading or interfering,
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truffledog wrote:The incredbile economic growth that made so many chinese better off than the previous generation has been the major reason to accept the "communist" ruling but one BIG crisis will show if that system is sustainable..i believe not. It would not surprise me if China would be divided into multiple states in 100 years. ONE CHINA is held together by force (i.e.military rule, one party rule) and not by free will.
ONE CHINA has been around since the first imperial emperor. He conquered his neighbors and imprinted what would be ‘Chinese’. One language, one culture, one leader, one government. All others erased. PRC citizens are quite proud of this. Minorities are like the animals at the zoo. For show and entertainment, but diversity is not really embraced. There may be a period of warring states, but in the end, there is ONE CHINA.

Deng Xiopeng opened up the country and is really the one responsible for the growth and prosperity. He believed that one could be a good communist and not be poor and starving. Government viselike control of the economy was lifted and ordinary people were allowed to make money. Out of their own talents, they brought the boom.

There is a fundamental difference of beliefs. The average PRC citizen believes that people need (ie crave) to be ruled. Freedom and choice are dangerous. The average western citizen believes that people want to be free. And from freedom and choice brings a better tomorrow.
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