Why does Cambodia never feature in pretty much anything?
Re: Why does Cambodia never feature in pretty much anything?
Apologies for mentioning University of Grenoble. My memory is faulty. Its actually a collaborative effort from several Universities including University of Toulouse, Cote d'Azur, and Lausanne among others.samrong01 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:00 amhttps://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 04339/fullclutchcargo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:57 pmCan you give us a link to that study? I googled the above bolded but couldn't readily see anything.samrong01 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:07 pm There is a good reason why Cambodia never features in lists of countries with low incidence of the virus. It clearly demonstrates that lockdowns, masks, and all the ridiculous measures taken by western governments have no effect whatsoever. This does not sit well with governments whose objective is to use the pandemic to increase their power and control over their people, so they pretend Cambodia does not exist. By doing nothing other than destroying the tourist industry and children's education (for no good reason), Cambodia is actually number 1 in the world for avoiding the virus with Laos number 2. It is ridiculous to say that New Zealand is best when they have had some deaths in a much smaller population while Cambodia has had none. New Zealand is best only of the countries that believe that draconian measures are the answer.
The study by the University of Grenoble clearly established that there is no relationship between government measures and the progress of the virus and Cambodia is proof of the truth of that.
Above is a link to the full results of the study including onwards links to appendices.
Re: Why does Cambodia never feature in pretty much anything?
Everyone take a dump in the street and we'll get Cintri on the case...timmydownawell wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:09 am I'd be very interested to know if they have done sewage testing for Covid here. And if they did, whether they detected it. I know some of you suspect it's lurking here undetected (and it's not impossible).
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Their job is shitty enough as it is.Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:49 amEveryone take a dump in the street and we'll get Cintri on the case...timmydownawell wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:09 am I'd be very interested to know if they have done sewage testing for Covid here. And if they did, whether they detected it. I know some of you suspect it's lurking here undetected (and it's not impossible).
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Re: Why does Cambodia never feature in pretty much anything?
Thanks for that link.samrong01 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:00 amhttps://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 04339/fullclutchcargo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:57 pmCan you give us a link to that study? I googled the above bolded but couldn't readily see anything.samrong01 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:07 pm There is a good reason why Cambodia never features in lists of countries with low incidence of the virus. It clearly demonstrates that lockdowns, masks, and all the ridiculous measures taken by western governments have no effect whatsoever. This does not sit well with governments whose objective is to use the pandemic to increase their power and control over their people, so they pretend Cambodia does not exist. By doing nothing other than destroying the tourist industry and children's education (for no good reason), Cambodia is actually number 1 in the world for avoiding the virus with Laos number 2. It is ridiculous to say that New Zealand is best when they have had some deaths in a much smaller population while Cambodia has had none. New Zealand is best only of the countries that believe that draconian measures are the answer.
The study by the University of Grenoble clearly established that there is no relationship between government measures and the progress of the virus and Cambodia is proof of the truth of that.
Above is a link to the full results of the study including onwards links to appendices.
I think it's important for context to spell out the main finding re the issue of effect of government measures ..extract:
Regarding government's actions (i.e., containment and stringency index), no association was found with the outcome, suggesting that the other studied factors were more important in the Covid-19 mortality than political measures implemented to fight the virus, except for the economic support index.
This study looks at the effect on mortality rates. So, it's one thing to say 'they found no relation between government actions and Covid 19 mortality rates'. And another to say 'there is no relationship between government measures and the progress of the virus'.Covid-19 has prompted a wide range of responses from governments around the world, yet the contagion and mortality curves are very homologous among countries (33). This is reinforced by our findings regarding the lack of any association with the government's actions taken during the pandemic. In that sense, the determining demographic, health, development, and environment factors seem much more important to anticipate the lethal consequences of the Covid-19 than government's actions, especially when such actions are led by political goals more than by sanitary ones.
Without wanting to sound pedantic, covid mortality and covid progress are two different things in my book. The former referring to an outcome, the latter being a wider term also referring to transmission and spread.
So, they acknowledge here there is a relationship between border control and progress of the virus.The situation in islands such as Taiwan, New Zealand, or Iceland, that quickly imposed restrictive measures on air transport, shows that the virus has not become endemic in these first 8 months. After a rapid propagation phase, only the re-importation of subjects contaminated outside the island provoked new local cases.
For those interested, it's also worth reading the 2 comments at the bottom of the study link re impact of government measures.
Re: Why does Cambodia never feature in pretty much anything?
With respect I do not agree that there is any distinction between progress of the disease and mortality. Mortality is fundamental to any disease. What does it matter if thousands of people have COVID19 if none of them die? The study demonstrates that death rates from COVID19 will naturally be higher in wealthy countries with sedentary lifestyles and high rates of obesity regardless of government action. In fact the death rate per 100,000 of population is the only fairly reliable measure available since these numbers are the only numbers that can be known with any degree of accuracy. The number of cases is a meaningless figure as it is a number that can not possibly be known for a disease that is without symptoms in 90% of cases. Some say that actual cases are 10 times the number reported, others say perhaps 5 times - it is an open question.
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