Covid 19, how long has it been with us

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Kammekor wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:12 pm
Jerry Atrick wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:19 pm
DaveG wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:03 pm This virus must have been all over the globe well before last Xmas, it had 6 months to spread before most countries implemented restrictions, covid free countries my ass!!!

Every nationality I know of has stories of the worst flu they had last October to December, including Cambodia.

When panic is not being propogated its easy to overlook/assign covid to pneumonia/normal flu etc
OK, I'll make it easy for you, just post one original / official document stating Cambodia had an extremely bad flu season from Oct-Dec 2019. Then your statement is credible, at least to me. Now it's just hot air. At least to me.
My statement was intended to be purely anecdotal, based on the many nationalities I have spoken and interacted with over the past 12 months; it's not intended to be a scientific fact.

That said:

https://www.wave3.com/2019/12/09/flu-ca ... rding-cdc/

They quote the CDC and the unusual flu driving high numbers; in USA, record numbers in 2019 December

https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/new ... ses-spread

Flu in USA Oct-Dec 2019 killed 2x as many people as normal

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10560866/ ... s-wipeout/

Flu cases in UK soar 25% in a week (Dec 16th 2019)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 44201.html

Flu in UK puts 125 in intensive care in week to December 8th 2019

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... inter.html

Flu cases requiring hospital treatment 800% up compared to previous year UK Dec 19th 2019

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52526554

France's first COVID case from guy hospitalised in December, never traveled to infected areas, knows no Chinese folk
France’s first Covid-19 case 'dates back to December', flu retest shows
[RFI]
RFI4 May 2020
France’s first Covid-19 case 'dates back to December', flu retest shows

A doctor in the Paris region says one of his patients who was diagnosed with pneumonia in December was, in fact, infected with Covid-19. The report, which is due to be published in detail this week, would make it the first known case of the disease in France – a month earlier than previously thought.

Dr Yves Cohen, head of the emergency services ward at the Avicenne and Jean-Verdier hospitals near Paris, says he went back through the files of patients who had been admitted with flu symptoms in December 2019 and January 2020.

"Twenty-four percent of patients had symptoms which could have corresponded to Covid-19," Cohen told French channel BFMTV.

"We re-tested the nasal swabs which were conducted at the time in relation to another diagnosis, to try and find traces of coronavirus," he explains.

"Out of 14 patients, one tested positive. We tested it two more times to make sure there was no mistake. And twice, it came back positive."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52935644

An article exploring how much earlier covid may have been around the world

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... n-covid-19

University of Texas study which suggests same as myself.
An analysis based on re-tested throat swabs from people in Wuhan, China, and Seattle, United States, suggests that thousands of people who had flu-like symptoms last winter could actually have had COVID-19.
Now, I can't find any Cambodian papers on flu infection last Dec due to being functionally illiterate in Khmer but maybe you can; wouldn't that be more in your wheelhouse?

And here's some others who share mine, and many other people's, suspicions;

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Too long
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Wuhan.html

It was found in Italy September 2019.
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