The number of people who die of all causes in a year is 0.95 percent Using Thailand as an example that's about 700000 deaths per year Which works out to about 300000 so far this year. Covid 19 has killed 56. Does anyone believe that this is a significant increase? You can crunch the numbers for many other countries you get the same result.
No mainstream media outlet ever displays these basic facts. We are all being played for fools

Dunderhead wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 1:51 pm The number of people who die of all causes in a year is 0.95 percent Using Thailand as an example that's about 700000 deaths per year Which works out to about 300000 so far this year. Covid 19 has killed 56. Does anyone believe that this is a significant increase? You can crunch the numbers for many other countries you get the same result.
No mainstream media outlet ever displays these basic facts. We are all being played for fools

How To Talk To Someone Who Believes “Plandemic” & Other Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories
By JR Thorpe
May 15, 2020

As if we don't have enough to deal with right now, coronavirus conspiracy theories and hoaxes keep going viral. The latest? A section of a longer film called Plandemic. The now thoroughly debunked hoax made a series of claims about the coronavirus pandemic, falsely suggesting that the coronavirus was made in a laboratory and spread deliberately, and that it can be "activated" by wearing masks, among other things. The 26-minute clip that went viral is an interview with Judy Mikovits, a scientist whose research was retracted by Science in 2011 and who is now associated with the anti-vax movement, per The Guardian. Even though the video has been taken down repeatedly across social media, it's gained a lot of traction.

If someone in your life has taken these kinds of conspiracy theories to heart, you may be wondering how to talk to your friend or family member about them.

Understanding The Conspiracy Theories In Plandemic

First things first: the video's claims are unfounded in science, epidemiologist Dr. Sadiya Khan, M.D., a professor at Northwestern University, tells Bustle. Among other statements, Mikovits claims that the coronavirus was released from a lab, that director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Dr. Anthony Fauci was engaged in a cover-up, and that mask-wearing may cause coronavirus symptoms.

"There is absolutely no evidence that the Department of Health and Human Services or Dr. Fauci participated in collusion, fraud, or cover-ups," Khan says. "There is no evidence that vaccines 'killed millions' [a claim that Mikovits makes], and there is ample evidence that wearing a mask protects from spread of the coronavirus and other respiratory viruses." There is also substantial evidence that this coronavirus is naturally occurring, like all others of its kind. One study published in Nature Medicine in March looked at the genome of COVID-19 and found that the coronavirus either evolved in animals and jumped to a human host, as with past viruses like SARS or MERS, or else was transmitted harmlessly to humans and evolved into something more deadly afterwards.

"Make sure to get your information from trusted sources, such as your local department of public health," Khan says.

What To Do If A Friend Or Family Member Wholeheartedly Believes The Hoax

Got a friend or family member who's decided Plandemic is the real deal? It's understandable that you'd want to talk to them about it. Conspiracy theories about the coronavirus outbreak can do real damage — and not just to 5G masts. Misinformation and myths about COVID-19 can mean that people make decisions that put them and others at risk. Sheltering in place and social distancing only work if everybody agrees to do their part.

"The epidemic of 'fake news' that has emerged is overwhelming," Khan says. "I completely understand and empathize with the desire to hear favorable and less scary news." Therapists tell Bustle it's a good idea to begin from this place of empathy.

"Start by actively listening to them on this topic and ask them questions as to why they believe this is true," family therapist Heidi McBain, LMFT, tells Bustle. This means putting aside your own motivation to change their mind for the time being, clinical psychologist Josh Klapow, Ph.D., tells Bustle. "Until you fully understand what they have processed, how they have processed it and how they have come to their conclusion, your ability to have any meaningful dialogue is simply not as strong," he says.

Starting the conversation this way and then proceeding to a discussion comparing views makes it more likely they'll listen, Klapow says. "You are setting up the situation to let them know that while you think differently, you are not having the conversation for the purpose of convincing them otherwise," he says.

McBain suggests looking at the underlying motivations for their beliefs, too. "If they are acting very out of character, this conspiracy theory response may actually be fear and anxiety-based," she says. There's a lot of uncertainty at the moment; Khan says that arguments are bristling everywhere about what we know and what we don't about the virus, and that environment understandably breeds confusion, conspiracy, and antagonism.

More: https://www.bustle.com/p/how-to-talk-to ... s-22897356

A very long post that never used any math to support it's argument. The Spanish flu killed 25 million in its first 6 months. This one has killed 300,000 I guess even pandemics Ain,t what they used to be. Address the math of this.Conspiracy theory is a term created to minimize or ridicule arguments that the hearer can't respond to with logic. Designed to generate emotion . It's not what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so

Alternatively, one could consider that a poorly vaccinated populous living in less sanitary conditions than today, mixed with a human immunity that was over 100 years less advanced than it is nowadays, and mathematics become less of an influencing factor. Mathematics, just like statistics, can be used to sway and bias any argument per the author's whim. This works for pro and anti any theory. There are flat-earthers all around the globe that use maths to support their arguments. Does it make them right?

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

Mikovits has now retracted her assertions

nemo wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 8:01 pm Mikovits has now retracted her assertions

Link? I can't find this retraction claim.

I just like to keep up. I'm not into conspiracies.

Perhaps you could use a trial math to back up your claims that flat earthers use math and the idea that human immunity has changed in only 100 years . Pure comedy gold.
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