finish_money wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:02 pm

ExPenhMan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:12 pm A good, intelligent report on how Sweden has shunned the lock-em-down strategy and largely kept its social harmony humming without posting huge positive test numbers or deaths. Some fascinating stuff.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/23/sweden ... stay-flat/

Interesting as I was just reading this:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ssion=true

Thanks. The elderly pay the price in every infected country, with dozens dying in single care homes, because they usually have two or three co-morbidities. (And no one is sure the autopsies, if there's time for a thorough one or done at all, rule on the actual reason for death.) Thought it's a bit scary that Swedish home staff have no self-protection. I wonder if that's true for all. The story is not at all clear about that.

Kammekor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:55 pm

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:30 pm No testing, no cases

But noticeably stretched medical care and much more funerals.

I can not confirm That’s the case in the KoW. At least it’s not the case in the part of the KoW where I live. It seems there really are few (noticeable?) cases here.

The guy living opposite my house works for a private cremation service and business has been extremely slow for him. In fact so slow he changed jobs and now keeps an eye on someone’s farm instead.

I live in very close proximity to the Khmer-Soviet friendship hospital, and I haven't noticed any spike in activity there at all. The flow of traffic and people seeem about as normal as they ever were, so I do lean towards the official figures being pretty much about right. I'm very surprised there isn't more attention being paid towards countries such as Cambodia by scientists asking why there are such low numbers compared to Europe and the US.

Considering Australia and other hot countries have had their fair share of cases, it doesn't seem to me that the climate is as big a factor as we might think. It would appear at the moment that the only differentiating factor lies in whether countries are developed or developing. I fully realise how strange that sounds. How can a virus know if a country is a developed country or not? But all the stats seem to indicate that developing nations aren't anywhere near as affected as developed ones.

Of course, you could go back to the testing argument, but again, that doesn't seem to me to hold much water. A pandemic on the scale of Italy, Spain, the US or the UK would be evident in itself. You wouldn't need testing or official stats to know that a pandemic on that kind of scale was happening on your doorstep.

I'm no scientist but it appears to me that some very serious analysis of countries such as Cambodia needs to be happenening if we want to understand how this virus really works.

Look at where its been the worst and look at how people get around.
Mass transit, close contact
nada to do with climate/temp

Electric Earth wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:18 pm

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:47 pm Look at where its been the worst and look at how people get around.
Mass transit, close contact
nada to do with climate/temp

Unfortunately mass transit doesn't apply to most of the US, so it can't be just that. Only the biggest of cities in the US have much at all in the way of mass transit. Everyone everywhere else drives their own cars.

Out of 50,000
new york city 16,646
Detroit 1,443
Chicago 1,220

China sends 2 boxes of aid to Syria

https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/n ... -two-boxes



for lols, i guess

April 26, 2020 / 1:01 AM / Updated an hour ago
In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms
Linda So, Grant Smith

9 Min Read

(Reuters) - When the first cases of the new coronavirus surfaced in Ohio’s prisons, the director in charge felt like she was fighting a ghost.

“We weren’t always able to pinpoint where all the cases were coming from,” said Annette Chambers-Smith, director of the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction. As the virus spread, they began mass testing.

They started with the Marion Correctional Institution, which houses 2,500 prisoners in north central Ohio, many of them older with pre-existing health conditions. After testing 2,300 inmates for the coronavirus, they were shocked. Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.

“It was very surprising,” said Chambers-Smith, who oversees the state’s 28 correctional facilities.

As mass coronavirus testing expands in prisons, large numbers of inmates are showing no symptoms. In four state prison systems — Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia — 96% of 3,277 inmates who tested positive for the coronavirus were asymptomatic, according to interviews with officials and records reviewed by Reuters. That’s out of 4,693 tests that included results on symptoms.

The numbers are the latest evidence to suggest that people who are asymptomatic — contagious but not physically sick — may be driving the spread of the virus, not only in state prisons that house 1.3 million inmates across the country, but also in communities across the globe. The figures also reinforce questions over whether testing of just people suspected of being infected is actually capturing the spread of the virus.

“It adds to the understanding that we have a severe undercount of cases in the U.S.,” said Dr. Leana Wen, adjunct associate professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University, said of the Reuters findings. “The case count is likely much, much higher than we currently know because of the lack of testing and surveillance.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN2270RX

Take a cruise...

Nearly 60 more cases on Costa Atlantica in Nagasaki bring cruise ship's virus tally to 148
Kyodo, REUTERS
Apr 25, 2020

The Nagasaki Prefectural Government on Saturday announced that 57 new coronavirus infections had been confirmed among the crew of an Italian cruise ship docked there.

With testing of all crew members now complete, the new number brings the total aboard the Costa Atlantica to 148, accounting for roughly a quarter of the vessel's 623-member crew. No passengers were aboard.

The infection cluster in Nagasaki comes as hospitals are running out of beds in some parts of Japan, where the national tally of virus cases has risen above 12,800. Some 345 people have died.

Of those infected onboard the Costa Atlantica, only one crew member has been admitted to hospital, NHK said. The others have shown slight or no symptoms and remain on board.

The vessel has been docked in Japan since February for repairs and maintenance after the pandemic prevented scheduled repairs in China. Nagasaki authorities had quarantined the vessel on arrival, and ordered its crew not to venture beyond the quay except for hospital visits.
But prefectural officials said earlier this week that some of the crew had departed without their knowledge and that they were seeking detailed information on their movements.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/ ... -nagasaki/